1 00:00:04,220 --> 00:00:14,310 [Music] 2 00:00:20,390 --> 00:00:17,990 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen 3 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:20,400 this is your host chris george zuger 4 00:00:26,230 --> 00:00:23,600 speaking to you live from ottawa ontario 5 00:00:29,429 --> 00:00:26,240 and to my right across the table is big 6 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:29,439 sexy alex say hello big 7 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:31,840 you have to sexy doing that 8 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:34,960 but it makes you smile every time um and 9 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:36,640 you have entered the den of lore uh 10 00:00:40,389 --> 00:00:38,800 where we talk about and learn cool 11 00:00:41,990 --> 00:00:40,399 and today we are going to be learning 12 00:00:45,830 --> 00:00:42,000 that courtesy of 13 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:45,840 renowned author laird scranton uh who is 14 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:47,440 one of my favorite authors and we've 15 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:48,640 been waiting for the show for a couple 16 00:00:53,189 --> 00:00:51,520 of weeks now very excited um now when we 17 00:00:55,350 --> 00:00:53,199 have our opening segment uh i think 18 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:55,360 we're just gonna kind of kick in an 19 00:00:58,549 --> 00:00:57,360 opening segment mode briefly just to 20 00:01:01,110 --> 00:00:58,559 have some 21 00:01:03,189 --> 00:01:01,120 quick chit chat 22 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:03,199 now i first wanted to 23 00:01:07,270 --> 00:01:04,799 introduce uh laird scranton for any of 24 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:07,280 our listeners who may or may not know 25 00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:09,680 of laird uh larry he's an independent 26 00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:11,920 researcher of asem ancient cosmology and 27 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:14,240 language uh he studies in comparative 28 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:17,200 cosmology uh which has uh served to help 29 00:01:23,109 --> 00:01:19,759 synchronize aspects of ancient african 30 00:01:25,429 --> 00:01:23,119 egyptian vedic chinese polynesian and 31 00:01:27,270 --> 00:01:25,439 other world cosmologies and have led to 32 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:27,280 an alternative approach to reading 33 00:01:32,710 --> 00:01:29,840 egyptian hieroglyphic words his degree 34 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:32,720 is in english from vassar college now he 35 00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:34,720 became interested in dogon mythology and 36 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:37,040 symbolism in the early 1900s 37 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:40,000 or 1990s excuse me that's my own typo 38 00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:41,600 for that one 39 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:43,920 and he studied ancient myth language and 40 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:46,240 cosmology since 1997 41 00:01:50,469 --> 00:01:47,680 and i would like to take this 42 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:50,479 opportunity to welcome a mr scranton 43 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:52,640 onto the air laird how are you doing 44 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:55,280 this afternoon i'm very good today chris 45 00:01:59,429 --> 00:01:57,360 thank you very much for for having me on 46 00:02:01,350 --> 00:01:59,439 um i really appreciate it 47 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:01,360 well it's uh you know as i've said 48 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:03,280 you're kind of one of my big three names 49 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:04,960 that i've ever wanted to interview and 50 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:06,320 one of the reasons why we started this 51 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:07,680 show so 52 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:08,399 it's 53 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:12,720 well thanks i appreciate it 54 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:13,920 uh 55 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:16,160 how has your afternoon been going 56 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:17,840 actually it's been been a busy day we've 57 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:20,000 had been a lot of a lot of little things 58 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:21,360 today 59 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:23,520 appointments and and things like that 60 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:25,200 but um 61 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:27,599 between that and research for 62 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:29,360 new articles and things 63 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:31,200 along that line i have a book just out 64 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:34,160 and a book just submitted and uh 65 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:36,800 another broken process so things are are 66 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:37,840 busy 67 00:02:42,070 --> 00:02:39,680 and i'm the type of person who uh can't 68 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:42,080 even finish the sudoku puzzle without uh 69 00:02:45,589 --> 00:02:43,680 you know without taking a couple weeks 70 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:45,599 in between so 71 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:47,120 now the the new book before we get in 72 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:48,480 like the meat and potatoes of the 73 00:02:51,910 --> 00:02:50,000 conversation i did want to plug the new 74 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:51,920 book um i 75 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:54,000 bought it and then i re-bought most of 76 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:55,760 the old ones 77 00:02:59,270 --> 00:02:57,680 from that i had before in paperback but 78 00:03:00,150 --> 00:02:59,280 they're at my parents house and in a box 79 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:00,160 somewhere 80 00:03:01,990 --> 00:03:01,120 uh 81 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:02,000 so 82 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:04,080 the the new book that is out and was uh 83 00:03:08,470 --> 00:03:05,840 just came out in the last month uh the 84 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:08,480 mysteries of scarborough the neolithic 85 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:11,040 scotland and the origins of ancient 86 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:15,120 egypt for our listeners the link is in 87 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:17,200 the notes 88 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:18,959 so 89 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:20,800 that was the book that just came out 90 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:23,760 uh and you just submitted a book as well 91 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:25,280 which 92 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:26,560 can you tell us a little bit about both 93 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:28,000 and how they tie together 94 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:30,000 uh sure the the next book is actually 95 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:32,239 the focus is actually on the maori in 96 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:33,440 new zealand 97 00:03:37,509 --> 00:03:35,360 in a much later era than the scarab ray 98 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:37,519 book the scarab ray book is talking 99 00:03:40,869 --> 00:03:39,920 about northern scotland at around 3200 100 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:40,879 bc 101 00:03:44,229 --> 00:03:42,319 the maori book 102 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:44,239 talks about 103 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:47,760 the maori at around 1680 quite quite a 104 00:03:51,190 --> 00:03:49,280 distance in time 105 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:51,200 but there are 106 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:53,040 links from the maori to pretty much 107 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:55,680 every era of ancient culture that i've 108 00:04:00,390 --> 00:03:57,360 studied to the languages and to the 109 00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:00,400 cosmology so it's interesting follow on 110 00:04:05,110 --> 00:04:02,640 there are actually connections back to 111 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:05,120 the northern scotland region too 112 00:04:07,509 --> 00:04:06,080 well 113 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:07,519 that's kind of one of the biggest things 114 00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:10,000 with most uh anybody who's looking into 115 00:04:12,949 --> 00:04:11,519 ancient mysteries is how everything's 116 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:12,959 all connected and people always have 117 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:14,480 their own theories 118 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:16,639 very few people do the research and take 119 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:18,720 the time to do the research so you know 120 00:04:21,909 --> 00:04:20,560 you you do 121 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:21,919 you do the work that a lot of us 122 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:23,520 necessarily don't have the opportunity 123 00:04:27,270 --> 00:04:25,600 to and uh 124 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:27,280 anything you've written it has been like 125 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:28,800 it has just been so well interconnected 126 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:31,440 with with tying uh so many concepts 127 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:33,040 together it i'm 128 00:04:35,830 --> 00:04:34,560 again coming from from an individual 129 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:35,840 who's got to sit down and think this 130 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:37,040 stuff out 131 00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:39,280 it just seems so logical um 132 00:04:43,510 --> 00:04:41,199 how did you get into 133 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:43,520 doing this type of work 134 00:04:47,590 --> 00:04:45,280 well it was sort of by accident i mean 135 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:47,600 my background sort of lends itself to it 136 00:04:53,350 --> 00:04:49,440 i have a degree in english and language 137 00:04:56,390 --> 00:04:53,360 is important to this and my uh career 138 00:04:58,150 --> 00:04:56,400 it was has been as a 139 00:04:59,830 --> 00:04:58,160 custom software programmer for 140 00:05:02,070 --> 00:04:59,840 businesses which is really a symbolic 141 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:02,080 language and those two things together 142 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:05,040 are very pertinent to this study in the 143 00:05:10,950 --> 00:05:09,440 mid 1990s late 1990s my wife risa 144 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:10,960 passed along a book to me called 145 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:13,680 unexplained by jerome clark and every 146 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:15,680 chapter in this book is about some 147 00:05:20,469 --> 00:05:18,720 unresolved mystery of humanity and one 148 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:20,479 of the chapters was focused on a little 149 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:23,199 african tribe called the nogan 150 00:05:27,189 --> 00:05:25,440 who were mysterious because they seemed 151 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:27,199 to know some things about astronomy that 152 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:29,360 they shouldn't know being a modern day 153 00:05:33,830 --> 00:05:31,199 primitive tribe that didn't have access 154 00:05:34,550 --> 00:05:33,840 to telescopes and things like that 155 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:34,560 so 156 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:36,240 i 157 00:05:41,189 --> 00:05:39,440 and then moved on to robert temple's 158 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:41,199 book about the dog called the serious 159 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:42,400 mystery 160 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:44,080 and uh sort of got hooked into it i 161 00:05:46,870 --> 00:05:45,520 started following robert temple's 162 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:46,880 bibliography 163 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:48,080 and um 164 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:49,680 started to learn more and more about the 165 00:05:53,430 --> 00:05:51,440 the tribe 166 00:05:55,510 --> 00:05:53,440 the dog and tribe are really excellent 167 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:55,520 entry point into these kinds of studies 168 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:56,560 because 169 00:06:00,230 --> 00:05:58,000 their culture 170 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:00,240 preserves aspects of three different 171 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:02,160 ancient cultures 172 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:04,720 they have rituals in common with judaism 173 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:06,880 they've got civic traditions in common 174 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:09,199 with ancient egypt and they've got a 175 00:06:13,029 --> 00:06:11,520 symbolic system that's very similar to 176 00:06:14,710 --> 00:06:13,039 ancient buddhism 177 00:06:16,309 --> 00:06:14,720 now for when you started your first your 178 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,319 first research like was this something 179 00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:18,240 that was predominantly done 180 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:21,680 from home or did you do much much travel 181 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:23,120 well i was um 182 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:25,360 originally i i didn't really intend to 183 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:26,960 write a book i was keeping notes for 184 00:06:30,550 --> 00:06:28,479 myself and just trying to keep them 185 00:06:32,469 --> 00:06:30,560 organized as as the material sort of 186 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:32,479 mushroomed i was trying to stay on top 187 00:06:36,629 --> 00:06:34,080 of it and keep it in the 188 00:06:38,469 --> 00:06:36,639 you know a format that i can get back to 189 00:06:39,749 --> 00:06:38,479 and after a while i realize you know i 190 00:06:41,510 --> 00:06:39,759 have enough material here i could write 191 00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:41,520 an article if i wanted to 192 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:43,759 and then a little a little longer after 193 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:45,039 a little longer period of time i 194 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:46,240 realized hey there's enough material 195 00:06:49,590 --> 00:06:47,520 here that i could probably write a book 196 00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:49,600 if i wanted to and that was about the 197 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:52,000 time it started to become she became 198 00:06:55,590 --> 00:06:54,080 becoming cheap and easy to 199 00:06:57,430 --> 00:06:55,600 self-publish a book 200 00:06:58,870 --> 00:06:57,440 and so i self 201 00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:58,880 wrote and self-published a book called 202 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:01,360 hidden meanings that eventually was 203 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:04,240 republished as the science of the dogen 204 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:05,360 and uh 205 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:07,199 so that it was sort of i say i 206 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:13,270 you know there's some some people's 207 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:14,720 callings in life they just kind of fall 208 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:16,960 into and it just leads up 209 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,080 uh you know just from from one moment 210 00:07:25,029 --> 00:07:22,000 i know from like my i'm a freemason i'm 211 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,039 a 30-second degree um i originally got 212 00:07:29,749 --> 00:07:27,120 into hidden mysteries when my mom handed 213 00:07:32,309 --> 00:07:29,759 me a velikovsky's worlds in collision 214 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:32,319 when i was 10 years old 215 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:33,680 wow and 216 00:07:38,629 --> 00:07:36,479 yeah that kind of reading was was uh uh 217 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:38,639 kind of required in uh in our line of 218 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:40,560 work my my sister she went more the 219 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:42,560 consciousness side with you know reeling 220 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:45,120 reading a lot of um like a wrinkle in 221 00:07:50,469 --> 00:07:48,000 time carlos castaneda's uh series 222 00:07:51,990 --> 00:07:50,479 and you know so that that whole lead up 223 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:52,000 of just that one thing that just you 224 00:07:55,189 --> 00:07:53,440 know click clicks in your mind and goes 225 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:55,199 huh that's interesting you just want to 226 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:58,479 find out more and find out more um now 227 00:08:03,909 --> 00:08:00,960 with with the recent book you have you 228 00:08:07,510 --> 00:08:03,919 done any like i know with scarbory being 229 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:07,520 in well north of uh of mainland scotland 230 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:10,400 in the uk uh have you visited that uh uh 231 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:12,800 that particular area yet yes actually i 232 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:14,879 have but i didn't visit there until um 233 00:08:17,749 --> 00:08:16,800 after the book was already written 234 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:17,759 which was 235 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:20,160 sort of an oh no moment you know 236 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:22,479 arriving on the island and suddenly it 237 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:24,479 occurred to me what if i uncover 238 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:26,479 something here that totally 239 00:08:30,629 --> 00:08:28,319 undermines what i've just 240 00:08:32,310 --> 00:08:30,639 published in my book 241 00:08:35,110 --> 00:08:32,320 but that didn't happen actually 242 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:35,120 everything that that i saw there upheld 243 00:08:40,709 --> 00:08:38,399 and expanded on what i had written about 244 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:40,719 well that yeah that's always uh that's 245 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:42,320 that's always a relief where it's like 246 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:43,760 wow maybe this might have been a bad 247 00:08:47,430 --> 00:08:45,519 idea like no no we're fine 248 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:47,440 but if if you had you could have thought 249 00:08:50,710 --> 00:08:48,800 of it from the side of like well now i 250 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:50,720 can write a follow-up 251 00:08:55,110 --> 00:08:53,440 well that's true um and as time goes on 252 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:55,120 you know there's always the the risk 253 00:08:59,590 --> 00:08:57,200 that something that i wrote way back 254 00:09:01,750 --> 00:08:59,600 when when i didn't have the as much of 255 00:09:03,269 --> 00:09:01,760 an overview on things as i do now is 256 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:03,279 going to uh 257 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:05,360 seem embarrassing but as i go back to 258 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:07,200 the early books i realize 259 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:08,880 for not knowing much i was pretty close 260 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:10,240 to the mark 261 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:11,680 about a lot of things that that i've 262 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:14,880 since learned about uh do do you read uh 263 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:16,480 like or watch game of thrones or have 264 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:18,320 you read the uh a song of ice and fire 265 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:19,680 series 266 00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:22,480 um i'm not a big uh game of thrones uh 267 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:24,880 fan but um uh 268 00:09:29,829 --> 00:09:27,200 i'm familiar with him i have an adult 269 00:09:31,509 --> 00:09:29,839 son who is a big fan so um i get 270 00:09:34,389 --> 00:09:31,519 exposure to it here and there sort of by 271 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:34,399 osmosis well one of the interesting uh 272 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,680 parallels that at least i would i would 273 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:37,440 take between your body of work and 274 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:39,760 george rr martin's well obviously yours 275 00:09:42,230 --> 00:09:41,040 is and i know that alex you're looking 276 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:42,240 at me like i'm kind of like where are 277 00:09:46,389 --> 00:09:44,560 you going with this 278 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:46,399 george has written uh books that are 279 00:09:50,070 --> 00:09:48,240 like several some are a thousand you 280 00:09:51,509 --> 00:09:50,080 know a couple thousand pages long or at 281 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:51,519 least a couple hundred over a thousand 282 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:53,680 pages long and he's created such a a 283 00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:56,560 massive world that uh the amount people 284 00:10:00,949 --> 00:09:59,200 have to cross uh cross-reference uh that 285 00:10:02,630 --> 00:10:00,959 he actually has that he double checks 286 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:02,640 information with other people to make 287 00:10:06,070 --> 00:10:04,080 sure that what he's writing is actually 288 00:10:08,470 --> 00:10:06,080 correct because he's written so much 289 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:08,480 information down it's 290 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:10,160 the fact you can do that yourself is is 291 00:10:13,910 --> 00:10:11,680 impressive to make sure that it's 292 00:10:15,750 --> 00:10:13,920 consistent well um actually as time goes 293 00:10:17,509 --> 00:10:15,760 on my books end up becoming resource for 294 00:10:19,509 --> 00:10:17,519 myself because it's easier to find a 295 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:19,519 reference by looking it up in my book 296 00:10:24,389 --> 00:10:21,600 than it is to try to think back to now 297 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:24,399 which of the zillion source books i have 298 00:10:28,470 --> 00:10:26,720 lying around or on shelves places you 299 00:10:30,829 --> 00:10:28,480 know had the original 300 00:10:33,190 --> 00:10:30,839 quote or the original piece that i 301 00:10:34,870 --> 00:10:33,200 quoted and what was the process with 302 00:10:36,949 --> 00:10:34,880 with this book 303 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:36,959 uh this book actually um the the last 304 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:38,880 couple of books have been very very 305 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:41,440 quick in a lot of ways um 306 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:43,360 the problem is that 307 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:44,800 there's a lot of research that goes into 308 00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:46,000 writing one of these books and you 309 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:48,320 really end up with a a taller stack of 310 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:50,640 things you can't use you know references 311 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:52,560 that that you can't connect to anything 312 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:53,760 than the ones that you can actually put 313 00:10:59,910 --> 00:10:55,760 into the book and so over time i have 314 00:11:01,509 --> 00:10:59,920 all these um seemingly loose ends that 315 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:01,519 don't necessarily connect right away to 316 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:04,000 anything and then the last two books a 317 00:11:07,829 --> 00:11:06,160 piece of information falls into place 318 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:07,839 and suddenly an entire book's worth of 319 00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:09,279 loose ends sort of pulled themselves 320 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:12,079 together the scarab ray book really 321 00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:13,680 the material came together in about six 322 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:15,040 weeks time 323 00:11:18,389 --> 00:11:16,640 uh the prior book which is called point 324 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:18,399 of origin came together in about three 325 00:11:21,670 --> 00:11:20,399 months time and the earlier books were 326 00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:21,680 more like a year and a half for two 327 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:22,959 years each 328 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:25,680 and for this book for this is the 329 00:11:30,310 --> 00:11:28,160 the fifth in a series is it not actually 330 00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:30,320 this is the seventh in the series and 331 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:32,720 and the eighth is um underway with the 332 00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:34,720 publisher right now and the ninth is 333 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:36,320 written but not submitted yet and the 334 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:38,560 tenth is sort of in process 335 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:40,480 now for the for for the book that that's 336 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:41,920 just been submitted you would mention 337 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:44,399 that that was uh dealing with uh um with 338 00:11:49,269 --> 00:11:47,120 more like the the polynesians uh area as 339 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:49,279 well as dealing with new zealand uh that 340 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:51,040 is kind of a you know kind of the other 341 00:11:54,069 --> 00:11:52,320 end of the world if you think about it 342 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:54,079 when it comes to scotland or at least in 343 00:11:57,990 --> 00:11:55,760 comparison 344 00:11:59,829 --> 00:11:58,000 yeah it seems like it is but um actually 345 00:12:01,590 --> 00:11:59,839 i i learned about the maori after i 346 00:12:03,509 --> 00:12:01,600 wrote the first book i realized that 347 00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:03,519 there were positive connections there 348 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:05,519 that i wanted to follow up on and it was 349 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:07,440 always my intention whenever i wrap up 350 00:12:12,389 --> 00:12:10,480 writing one book i'd start work on the 351 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:12,399 maori book expecting that that would be 352 00:12:16,150 --> 00:12:14,560 the next one and then invariably would 353 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:16,160 get bumped by some other new piece of 354 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:17,680 information and said it on the shelf and 355 00:12:21,509 --> 00:12:19,680 i come back to it after the next book 356 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:21,519 and now looking back i'm very glad that 357 00:12:25,509 --> 00:12:23,760 that happened because it connects so 358 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:25,519 well to so many different things i've 359 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:27,200 written about i wouldn't have 360 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:29,120 had the background to be able to 361 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:31,760 recognize it otherwise 362 00:12:34,949 --> 00:12:33,680 now with dealing 363 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:34,959 going back to 364 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:36,800 scarab ray 365 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:39,200 and its connection with uh uh you know 366 00:12:42,069 --> 00:12:40,880 with with the dogon and as well as 367 00:12:43,990 --> 00:12:42,079 ancient egypt and this is probably 368 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:44,000 getting more in line with uh the line of 369 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:46,000 conversation that we're gonna have so 370 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:48,240 i'll switch the video into uh into 371 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:51,120 actual uh intro mode so your video 372 00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:53,279 there's a nice little graphic video with 373 00:12:55,590 --> 00:12:54,639 you up there 374 00:12:57,509 --> 00:12:55,600 so 375 00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:57,519 um 376 00:13:01,350 --> 00:12:58,720 the dogon 377 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:01,360 use a very very heavily heavy symbolized 378 00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:02,800 uh language to 379 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:05,519 deal with their cosmology which from i 380 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:07,760 know from your own work and from uh 381 00:13:10,949 --> 00:13:09,040 reading a lot of the articles that 382 00:13:12,870 --> 00:13:10,959 you've written uh that it's very very 383 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:12,880 similar to the egyptian if not it could 384 00:13:15,750 --> 00:13:14,240 be potentially 385 00:13:17,509 --> 00:13:15,760 where egypt 386 00:13:20,790 --> 00:13:17,519 got a lot of their symbolism from like 387 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:20,800 it was descended from um how how does 388 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:23,680 this tie into scarab ray 389 00:13:28,150 --> 00:13:25,920 okay well to get to that i'll give you 390 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:28,160 maybe a quick summary of of who the 391 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:29,920 dogon are and how they how they connect 392 00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:32,160 why they're important in all this um the 393 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:34,079 dogan are on modern modern-day african 394 00:13:36,069 --> 00:13:35,040 tribe 395 00:13:37,590 --> 00:13:36,079 that 396 00:13:39,269 --> 00:13:37,600 there are priestly tribe who have 397 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:39,279 deliberately located themselves in a 398 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:41,120 remote spot in 399 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:43,600 the northwest ball of africa 400 00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:46,720 to try to keep their tradition pure 401 00:13:50,389 --> 00:13:48,639 they have a language that's not 402 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,399 classifiable because it really consists 403 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:53,040 of subgroups of like 17 other languages 404 00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:55,279 and they have um they put a lot of 405 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:57,920 priority on preserving traditions and 406 00:14:02,710 --> 00:13:59,680 preserving the meanings of words and so 407 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:02,720 forth um i think that at 408 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:04,959 based on the evidence it looks that like 409 00:14:09,189 --> 00:14:08,000 at around 3000 bc the dogan were 410 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:09,199 egyptian 411 00:14:15,829 --> 00:14:10,480 um 412 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:15,839 practices that dogen have and at what 413 00:14:19,509 --> 00:14:17,760 points in time traditional researchers 414 00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,519 believe that those practices came into 415 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:21,519 place in egypt 416 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:22,880 it's really 417 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:24,560 more important what the dogan don't have 418 00:14:28,230 --> 00:14:26,560 that tells us what the time period was 419 00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:28,240 the dogan don't have a written language 420 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,519 and we know that that happened very 421 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,839 early in ancient egypt but certainly by 422 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:33,519 2900 bc 423 00:14:38,230 --> 00:14:36,320 egypt had a written language uh the 424 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:38,240 dogan have all the egyptian calendars 425 00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,920 but they don't have any of the they 426 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:41,839 don't have the leap year days the five 427 00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:44,480 intercalary days they reconcile 428 00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:46,639 the calendars and we know that that came 429 00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:48,639 in very early also 430 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,959 the dogan also have a number number of 431 00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:52,720 commonalities with the pre-dynastic 432 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:55,040 tribes so right there at the boundary 433 00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:58,000 between when pre-dynastic egypt became 434 00:15:03,269 --> 00:14:59,680 dynastic egypt you know when the first 435 00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:03,279 kingship formed around 3000 bc is the 436 00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:05,199 era that the nogans seemed to connect to 437 00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:06,639 with the egyptians 438 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:07,360 now 439 00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,959 despite the fact that the noga note have 440 00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,639 a written language 441 00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,199 their words are arguably ancient 442 00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:15,120 egyptian words i've spent a lot of time 443 00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:16,959 over the course of my book series 444 00:15:21,189 --> 00:15:18,800 correlating 445 00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:21,199 dogan words to egyptian words 446 00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:22,639 now 447 00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:24,800 one of the complaints that is leveled 448 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:26,959 against the work of comparative cause 449 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,440 comparative cosmology is my field that's 450 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:32,160 the field of trying to learn more about 451 00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:33,920 symbols and myths and rituals by 452 00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:35,680 comparing how different cultures 453 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:39,839 understand the same myth or ritual 454 00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:43,440 so from the dogan standpoint 455 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:51,509 their perspective on things is that 456 00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:53,360 each 457 00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:55,600 how can i explain this uh just as it's 458 00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:58,000 possible to correlate um a deity let's 459 00:16:00,949 --> 00:16:00,079 say between cultures uh there's a dogan 460 00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:00,959 god 461 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:05,920 and amma has a lot of the same 462 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,480 attributes and and uh plays the same 463 00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:10,720 role in myths and so forth as amen and 464 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,839 egypt so we can we based on multiple 465 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,519 points of evidence we can correlate 466 00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,240 these two deities with each other 467 00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:20,000 comparative cosmologists say well look 468 00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,399 if we already have you know half a dozen 469 00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:24,000 or more points of evidence to prove that 470 00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,839 this is the same deity 471 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,920 then clearly their names which are also 472 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:29,680 phonetically very similar must also 473 00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:30,959 correlate 474 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:33,279 well linguists don't like that because 475 00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,880 it's 476 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,959 a linguist tends to look at things that 477 00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,800 if you haven't done a proper etymology 478 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:40,399 of words from one culture to another 479 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:41,680 that you can't claim that there's a 480 00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:43,040 relationship 481 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:46,560 but um in this case the the language 482 00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,600 connects based on um multiple meanings 483 00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:51,279 of individual words it's one of the 484 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:54,079 characteristics of this tradition that 485 00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:58,320 any key word of this creation tradition 486 00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:00,639 is was originally assigned multiple 487 00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:03,279 discrete meanings 488 00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,679 meanings when i say discrete i mean the 489 00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,520 meanings are distanced in such a way 490 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:09,679 that knowing one doesn't really let you 491 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,079 guess the others um 492 00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,720 the dogan god is an example his name is 493 00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,839 amma 494 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,120 and 495 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,160 alma is a hidden god but the name also 496 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,319 means to grasp or to hold firm or to 497 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:23,760 establish 498 00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:26,400 when you go to egypt you have amen as a 499 00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:29,039 hidden god whose name also means to 500 00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:31,600 grasp or to hold for firmer to establish 501 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,160 you go to hebrew and the word amen comes 502 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:36,799 from a root that means to establish 503 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:37,760 so 504 00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,960 you have a way of connect 505 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:40,480 interconnecting things here through 506 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,760 language that is really important 507 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:45,600 and that sort of gets us 508 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:48,720 a foothold into the egyptian culture 509 00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:49,600 so 510 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,840 language to validate what the dogan are 511 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:56,000 telling me about words the dog and say 512 00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:57,600 here's here's our word here's how we 513 00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,600 pronounce it here's how we understand 514 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:01,280 its meanings and then i can go to an 515 00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,880 egyptian hieroglyphic dictionary and 516 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,039 find the same meanings connected to the 517 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,600 same pronunciation 518 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:09,280 so that's one of the cross checks on the 519 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:10,799 work that i do 520 00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,600 another cross check is 521 00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:15,440 to the buddhist 522 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,960 symbolic system 523 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,720 the buddhist system is given in an 524 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:20,240 entirely different language it's in 525 00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:23,440 sanskrit not ancient egyptian words but 526 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:25,039 it's all the same stuff it's the same 527 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,480 set of symbols 528 00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:28,559 the same shape carries the same meaning 529 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,440 as the nogan tradition and so that's a 530 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,360 second cross check it that if the dogans 531 00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,280 say that a particular 532 00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,039 ritual or a particular symbol means a 533 00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:39,919 thing i can go to buddhism and cross 534 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,679 check that and say how does buddhism 535 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,600 understand this and typically there's a 536 00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,430 so 537 00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:49,039 all of this makes the dogan an excellent 538 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,559 place to start 539 00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,240 the re the way that this all connects to 540 00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:54,799 scarabray is that the dogans say that 541 00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:55,679 their 542 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,679 symbolic system was instructed in 543 00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,360 ancient times 544 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,799 as a matter of fact they go farther than 545 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:02,400 that they say that 546 00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:03,200 the symbols 547 00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,679 [Music] 548 00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,000 describe how their tribal god created 549 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,240 matter that's sort of the first level of 550 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,640 of statement they make that the symbols 551 00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,960 we're talking about represent how matter 552 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:16,400 forms 553 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,760 and i didn't know all that much about 554 00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:19,360 matter when i started out i knew that 555 00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:20,799 you know about atoms i knew about 556 00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,600 protons and electrons and neutrons and i 557 00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:25,280 could i could see that the dogan had 558 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,039 definitions that went along with those 559 00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:28,880 they they have an atom that they 560 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,520 described correctly and they have 561 00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,600 something called sene seeds that are 562 00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:35,039 like protons and 563 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,880 electrons that are the components of the 564 00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,880 atoms and so 565 00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,960 i wondered if maybe this the long 566 00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,400 descending 567 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,080 series of stages that the dogan 568 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,720 described for how metaphors before that 569 00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,120 might not also be correct 570 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,000 and so i educated myself in 571 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,760 you know read brian green and stephen 572 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:56,160 hawking and and just popular 573 00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,760 descriptions of how matter forms had 574 00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,919 started lining things up and realized 575 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,480 you can you can set it side by side the 576 00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,559 dogen system is so intuitive you can lay 577 00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,559 their description and their drawing 578 00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,559 right next to stephen hawking's 579 00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,039 description and his diagram and 580 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,520 intuitively see that you've got a match 581 00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,799 well something something like that would 582 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,080 be very similar with how french and 583 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,240 english would be related because they 584 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,559 come from the same source essentially 585 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,280 where you know one similar word forest 586 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,520 in foreign would essentially they're the 587 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,520 same thing they just slightly different 588 00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:30,400 spelling one the french has a uh 589 00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:33,039 has a symbol on top to 590 00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:34,880 to denote a certain way that the word's 591 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,840 supposed to be um 592 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,200 help me out here 593 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,799 thank you very much so it's supposed to 594 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,880 be pronounced and 595 00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,720 but you know two to some you know a 596 00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,159 thousand years from now or or two 597 00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:47,600 thousand years from now 598 00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,880 somebody could look at those two words 599 00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,720 and not necessarily think they mean the 600 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,840 same thing 601 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,000 right and also there's a problem from a 602 00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,400 linguist standpoint in that you've only 603 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,640 got about 40 phonetic values that are 604 00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,190 or express in any given language and so 605 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,120 the chances of the same phonetic value 606 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,720 being used to represent the same thing 607 00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,320 are pretty great there's a high chance 608 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,080 of of coincidence and so to just say 609 00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,000 that two words are pronounced alike and 610 00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,679 mean the same thing doesn't really carry 611 00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,480 any weight with a linguist 612 00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,159 uh it might be a coincidence you need 613 00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,159 other evidence to sort of anchor that 614 00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,159 but in the case of the dogan we've got 615 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,840 that evidence we have have multiple 616 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:29,360 points of evidence for every word that 617 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,760 we make a word comparison that we make 618 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,120 now 619 00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,200 the dogans say that this 620 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,960 scientific system that they are 621 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:39,440 preserving in symbols was an instructed 622 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,549 i'll give you a little bit of background 623 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,039 here it gets a little bit complicated um 624 00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:48,960 the buddhists say that they got their 625 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,000 symbolic system from a non-human source 626 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,400 that the most they flatly say that the 627 00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,360 not the most sacred buddhist symbols 628 00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,679 were given to humanity by a non-human 629 00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,960 source 630 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,360 the dogen agree with that but the dogan 631 00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,000 carry it a step further they say not 632 00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,919 only was it a non-human source but it 633 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:09,039 was also 634 00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,840 a non-material 635 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,679 source now as a researcher that creates 636 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,520 a problem for me because it leads me 637 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,760 into areas that are so controversial 638 00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,480 it's hard hard not to get into and have 639 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,919 somebody just dismiss your work just 640 00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,840 based on that 641 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,559 kind of an outlook but i'm in the 642 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,000 fortunate position that these two 643 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:30,000 systems these two symbolic systems were 644 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,880 both 645 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,320 uh you can demonstrate that they're 646 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:34,960 ancient you can demonstrate that their 647 00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,000 buddhism was documented by around 400 bc 648 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,240 and the dogen system is given in ancient 649 00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,000 egyptian words that went out of use by 650 00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,039 around 750 bc 651 00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,880 and wouldn't something very similar be 652 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,280 uh possibly to be said about uh uh 653 00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,200 dealing with like ancient buddhism uh 654 00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:53,919 with uh the revelation of the trigrams 655 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,320 and how those were essentially 656 00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,320 brought up on the back of a turtle and 657 00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,960 shown to a chinese god way back when 658 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,640 yes there are a lot of commonalities 659 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,440 between cultures and that argue for um 660 00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,120 you can you can place the 661 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,679 a rough date on any given set of symbols 662 00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,960 like that 663 00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,919 but 664 00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,480 because we have these two systems uh the 665 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,919 buddhists and the dogen systems that are 666 00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,240 given in different languages it's not 667 00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,159 likely that one of them just adopted 668 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,760 their system wholesale from the other 669 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,200 one 670 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,360 you'd have a far greater overlap of 671 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:27,039 words if that were true 672 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,400 and so 673 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,840 it looks 674 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,600 the systems look like 675 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,000 two different cultures managed to keep a 676 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:36,000 very complex set of symbols straight for 677 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,600 thousands of years independent of each 678 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,880 other 679 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,360 so now when you get down to the bottom 680 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,120 and they're both saying that they got it 681 00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,600 from a non-human source 682 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,360 i can take two two different points of 683 00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,880 view on that one of two points of view 684 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,559 on that i can say 685 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,960 i can take the stance that 686 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,480 they each managed to keep all of the 687 00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,960 other details straight but somehow 688 00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:59,039 misremembered that one in matching ways 689 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,320 but it's not true they got it from a 690 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,080 non-human source 691 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,960 or i can say they managed to keep that 692 00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,760 last detail straight also and therefore 693 00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,200 as a researcher i have to allow the 694 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,559 possibility of a non-human source 695 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,960 and for for the idea like is it possible 696 00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,080 that the 697 00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,640 non-human source uh could have been a 698 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,279 metaphor or a misinterpretation for 699 00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,240 let's say a slightly more advanced 700 00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,039 um you know aspect of humanity 701 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,039 there are reasons why that that can't be 702 00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,720 the first one is 703 00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,640 that the dogans say that the major 704 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,960 concern of their teachers 705 00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,919 was 706 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,679 the possible bad effects that their 707 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,320 presence could have on the dogen 708 00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,360 and so 709 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,520 to limit that to limit the exposure of 710 00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,360 the dogen to them 711 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,039 they settled on a system where they 712 00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:48,720 would take eight dogan tribes people 713 00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,679 away to a lo a remote locale 714 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,279 teach those eight 715 00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,880 and send them back to teach everybody 716 00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,960 else 717 00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,120 that pattern plays itself out all over 718 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,640 the world in various cultures the 719 00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,679 pattern of the eight wise chinese 720 00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,840 emperors or the eight 721 00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,919 quasi-mythical ancestors who come into a 722 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,520 culture with civilizing skills in 723 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,200 ancient times 724 00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,360 now the connection to scarab ray comes 725 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,919 out of that mindset because at scarbrea 726 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,200 what we have 727 00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,919 at 3200 bc which is before dynastic 728 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,279 egypt 729 00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,440 we have 730 00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,279 the fir what's interpreted as the first 731 00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,440 forming village in northern scotland a 732 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,279 cluster of eight houses 733 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,400 in a little little built with 734 00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,720 flat stones 735 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,559 that gives the outward appearance of 736 00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,320 this location the dogen and the 737 00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,159 buddhists talk about a remote location 738 00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:41,840 where where things might have been 739 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,390 but that's not really the starting point 740 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,840 for the connection the real starting 741 00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,480 point for the connection comes out of 742 00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,679 architecture 743 00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,799 that 744 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,640 the researchers in northern scotland 745 00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,919 don't have anything to connect the 746 00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,679 scarborough side to 747 00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,520 they um they've been studying it since 748 00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,279 the middle of the 1800s when it was 749 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,000 first uncovered they've had major 750 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,760 archaeologists in there looking at 751 00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,200 things trying to connect it to 752 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,919 scandinavian roots or to european routes 753 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,640 or something but nobody has successfully 754 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,320 made a connection 755 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,919 well the the 756 00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,000 original houses at scarabray were all a 757 00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,159 bit built to a particular plan and that 758 00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,880 plan is a match for the a typical dogan 759 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559 stone house 760 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,640 so 761 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,200 um in addition to that the the dogan 762 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,480 stone house 763 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,480 carries symbolism it's it's put together 764 00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,320 the way it is for a reason there are 765 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,720 cosmological meanings associated with 766 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,880 the components of the house the house 767 00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:40,960 represents essentially the body of a 768 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,480 sleeping woman it has a what the 769 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,400 researchers in scotland called a unique 770 00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,960 feature at one end it's a round room 771 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,440 shaped sort of like a beehive cell 772 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,919 and on the sides it has two long 773 00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,480 rectangular rooms and a square room in 774 00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,919 the center and then a sort of a 775 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,000 rectangular entryway at the bottom and 776 00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,400 this represents the body of a sleeping 777 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,240 woman the round room is her head the 778 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,880 side rooms are her arms the central room 779 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,600 is her body cavity and for in the scar 780 00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:11,360 bray houses there's actually a hearth in 781 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,559 the center that represents the heart 782 00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,149 once we make that link in the 783 00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,799 architecture now it becomes fair game to 784 00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,000 consider all of the scarab ray elements 785 00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,600 in relation to 786 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,000 the dogan cosmology and the dogan 787 00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,159 language which also is a man you know 788 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,000 that also means we can consider egyptian 789 00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,480 cosmology an egyptian language 790 00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,799 well uh and that would be similar if i'm 791 00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,679 not mistaken to um at least parallel the 792 00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,360 work that would be done uh or discovered 793 00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,159 by uh schwarz with regards to the temple 794 00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,400 of man uh the temple of luxor being an 795 00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,600 example right 796 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,760 that's an important thing for i i'm good 797 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:51,760 friends with john anthony west who uh 798 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:55,120 wrote um extensively about schwaller's 799 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,480 temple of man 800 00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,600 um 801 00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,320 outlook and yes this absolutely provides 802 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,159 a foundation for that which it really 803 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,320 hasn't been one before why 804 00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,840 why would he why would the egyptians 805 00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,600 have thought to have built this temple 806 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,919 luxor that seems to represent a human 807 00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:12,000 body the parts of a human body 808 00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,360 now the next question i have is how many 809 00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,880 times have you seen 810 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,399 magical egypt because i know i've seen 811 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,559 it like about ten times my my my always 812 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,760 says it's like oh god are you watching 813 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,480 magical egypt again 814 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:24,880 yes well i mean i 815 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,240 i i tend not to watch things that i'm in 816 00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,720 but i do do tend to watch things for for 817 00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,279 uh information the the segment there's 818 00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,919 one segment of magical egypt that is fo 819 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,919 has its focus on my work 820 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,960 um 821 00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,360 that segment was filmed the day i met 822 00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,080 john anthony west he invited me and my 823 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,919 wife down to his house at that time he 824 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,080 was living in athens new york and 825 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,840 invited us down but didn't tell us in 826 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,960 advance that he was going to have a 827 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,080 cameraman there to film the get-together 828 00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,240 and so it was sort of a fresh i guess he 829 00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,279 wanted a you know fresh take on the 830 00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,120 the discussion and the information and 831 00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,799 not have to be coming over prepared to 832 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,559 talk about this stuff 833 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,080 well i can understand that i don't 834 00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,919 listen to our shows back after they're 835 00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,720 done 836 00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,399 uh just because 837 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,000 i like doing them but i do the sign of 838 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,240 my own voice it's just kind of yeah so i 839 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,760 can understand that 840 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,200 a lot of people feel that way i was a 841 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,120 musician in college my college years and 842 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,120 did a lot of um 843 00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,840 musical recordings and uh seeing seeing 844 00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,520 and playing music and things and so i 845 00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,480 got so i used to hearing myself 846 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,000 to the point where i didn't you know 847 00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,320 cringe every time i heard myself 848 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,960 but i i don't tend to listen back to the 849 00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,080 the shows that i record unless there's a 850 00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,559 really good reason to do it there's like 851 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:42,240 a really particularly nice shirt that 852 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,350 just place it you need to know what 853 00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,360 style it was that kind of thing 854 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,720 uh 855 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:52,880 but moving on from from the symbolism 856 00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,600 with uh with the 857 00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:57,120 how the houses were shaped in by the 858 00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,880 dogon as well as uh in scarabray um if 859 00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:02,480 we're dealing with uh like the temple of 860 00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:05,679 man uh at uh the temple of luxor uh with 861 00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,880 regards to 862 00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,840 its anatomy what is the symbolism that 863 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,480 that was derived from the curled up 864 00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,480 sleeping woman in both of those houses 865 00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,320 or house designs 866 00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,110 this ties to 867 00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,880 ancient myths and a number of cultures 868 00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,559 there's a myth in 869 00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,679 uh 870 00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,360 in hinduism 871 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,360 called the fable of the seven houses and 872 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,320 it's a story about how a goddess named 873 00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:33,600 devi 874 00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,520 at dawn she pays a visit to seven houses 875 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,120 and in each house 876 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,880 she finds 877 00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,559 a housewife 878 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:43,919 in the midst of a 879 00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:50,310 alex i can see you raising your eyebrows 880 00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,430 now this myth 881 00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,760 um okay each of the 882 00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,000 if you examine the the details of this 883 00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,679 myth in relation to the egyptian 884 00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,000 hieroglyphic language you realize that 885 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,799 each of the actions that the housewives 886 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:09,120 are performing in these houses 887 00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,240 represent 888 00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:11,679 um 889 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,799 how can you say daily needs of life 890 00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,360 there was a psychologist i think maslow 891 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,600 had uh levels of 892 00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,600 defined levels of human need where 893 00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,159 unless you had satisfied a basic need 894 00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,679 you couldn't really think about a higher 895 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,559 need 896 00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,880 well this is sort of the same sort of 897 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,039 situation playing out where you have a 898 00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,360 hierarchy of needs being expressed here 899 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,120 but they're all given in the egyptian 900 00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,840 language based on words 901 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,919 that are phonetically based on the root 902 00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,440 na hat 903 00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,600 now net in the egyptian language is the 904 00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,399 name of the goddess neath 905 00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,039 and so the the hindu myth 906 00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,519 which connects other ways into egypt in 907 00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:53,360 a prior book i make connections into 908 00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,310 it's no one really has a theory of where 909 00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,559 the goddess neith came from they know 910 00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,240 that um 911 00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,320 she existed before dynastic egypt to 912 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,559 their references to her before dynastic 913 00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,440 egypt but nobody knows for sure who she 914 00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,679 is she connects in certain ways to 915 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,600 certain hindu and 916 00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:16,640 actually 917 00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,600 goddesses out of india and traditions 918 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,960 out of india 919 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,159 so 920 00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,000 in one way to this this myth of the 921 00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,919 seven houses there's there's also a myth 922 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,559 of seven houses that comes out of the 923 00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,200 egyptian book of the dead only in in 924 00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:35,679 that version of the myth it's not a a 925 00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,440 goddess and housewives involved it's 926 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,159 the deceased spirit of a pharaoh who 927 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,320 visits the seven houses at dawn and 928 00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,720 finds at the door of each house 929 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,240 um three 930 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,640 um gatekeepers basically three deities 931 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,080 or or 932 00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,000 god-like beings who are are doing 933 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,679 certain things or say certain things at 934 00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,279 the doorway of each house 935 00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,440 so a couple of the chapters of the book 936 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,960 on scarab ray deal with the 937 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,000 relationships to those myths 938 00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,480 cosmologically speaking 939 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,799 the seven houses 940 00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,640 the concept of the house uh how can i 941 00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,039 explain this 942 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,799 what we have on orkney island is a 943 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,760 series of megalithic sites 944 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,840 that were connected by a neolithic road 945 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,480 at 3200 bc and that road led to the 946 00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,120 scarborough village so we know with 947 00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,679 certainty that whoever built these sites 948 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,679 considered them to be related to each 949 00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,000 other because they connected them 950 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:34,080 they were built cross-generationally 951 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,120 which means there had to be a 952 00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,440 cross-generational plan this was 953 00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:39,279 accomplished over the period of like 600 954 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,640 years 955 00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,240 now 956 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,279 make of these sites 957 00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,320 but 958 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:48,640 looking for me looking at it in terms of 959 00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,799 the cosmological system i've worked with 960 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,080 the sites 961 00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,080 recreate a sequence of shapes that are 962 00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,039 cosmological these are shapes that that 963 00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,360 matter supposedly goes through as matter 964 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,880 forms 965 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,679 so 966 00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,960 there's a progression and that 967 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,799 progression leads to 968 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,800 something in science that's 969 00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:10,320 in string theory is referred to as the 970 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,639 calabial space this is a cluster of 971 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,000 seven or eight 972 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,240 uh collapsed dimensions 973 00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,720 that supposedly exist at every point in 974 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,399 space and time 975 00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,240 well the dogan system the dog and 976 00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,320 descriptions of matter also describe 977 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,359 that same 978 00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:29,200 structure they call it the egg of the 979 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,079 world 980 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,480 um and it looks to me like the scar bray 981 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,200 side was meant to represent that 982 00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,119 that process of creation of matter 983 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,399 though in the ancient traditions 984 00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,320 one of the metaphors that's given for it 985 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,839 is 986 00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:44,560 in 987 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,040 that catalyzes the formation of matter 988 00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,280 are two energies that come together 989 00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,839 the first energy is 990 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,240 a non-material energy that's associated 991 00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,240 with a sleeping goddess 992 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,480 and the other energy is a material 993 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,240 energy that is considered to be 994 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,880 masculine and when the two come together 995 00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,480 in the context of 996 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,320 an act of perception 997 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,560 then suddenly 998 00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:12,720 sort of as an automatic response to that 999 00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,760 what we see as particles of matter form 1000 00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,680 there's a transformation that happens 1001 00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,839 sort of the same way that a wi-fi signal 1002 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,920 gets transfer translated into an image 1003 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,920 on your screen when you turn your pc on 1004 00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,920 or when you click on that link 1005 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,000 that it exists originally in the form of 1006 00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,160 waves but at the point where you see it 1007 00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,920 and consider it to be real it looks like 1008 00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:33,440 it's an object it looks like it's a real 1009 00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,470 so the sleeping goddess that's 1010 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,240 represented by this house is a 1011 00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,760 fundamental 1012 00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,680 concept that relates to the cosmology 1013 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,440 that's being expressed there this 1014 00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,440 represents the sleeping goddess who 1015 00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:49,599 awakens 1016 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,640 in 1017 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,280 the old testament tradition where 1018 00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,720 at dawn 1019 00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,880 when it's dark 1020 00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,599 yah the hebrew god 1021 00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,599 who from my perspective represents the 1022 00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,400 concept of of light he actually 1023 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,520 represents 1024 00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:06,640 um 1025 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,079 sort of hover over the water as the sun 1026 00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,800 rises and causes the sleeping goddess to 1027 00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,119 open her eyes and to awaken so when when 1028 00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,599 yah says let there be light what it's 1029 00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,560 really doing is waking this goddess 1030 00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,000 and that's actually a very interesting 1031 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,599 point you bring that up and i know every 1032 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,599 single time i bring up freemasonry alex 1033 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,040 always looks at me a little bit strange 1034 00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,750 sorry just uh 1035 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:35,040 it's we have a new sound card i'm still 1036 00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,400 getting the levels right so if there's 1037 00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,119 any distortion i do apologize uh from 1038 00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,839 that um 1039 00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,200 whenever somebody's initiated into 1040 00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:44,640 freemasonry the moment that they go 1041 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,599 through their obligation and you know 1042 00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,880 that we basically um you know kind of uh 1043 00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,960 bust their balls as much as possible to 1044 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:54,079 kind of freak him out and spin him 1045 00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,440 around a room you know it's part of the 1046 00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:56,880 bonding process 1047 00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,599 the let there be light word is said 1048 00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,440 kind of at that breaking point from 1049 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,359 where they go from being in a state of 1050 00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:06,000 darkness to having that knowledge uh you 1051 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,640 know 1052 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,640 being illuminated the the shroud being 1053 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,320 lifted over and then the knowledge being 1054 00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,640 presented to them afterwards uh it's 1055 00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:13,760 very interesting to bring that up 1056 00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,200 because we use the exact same wording 1057 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,640 that's very interesting well um 1058 00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,480 what came to my mind there was the the 1059 00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,079 theosophists have uh when you're 1060 00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,079 describing how they look at particles or 1061 00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,040 matter uh the theophilus had a uh a 1062 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,119 saying that went to materia is spirit at 1063 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,160 its lowest cyclical vibration 1064 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,240 right and that that's actually true the 1065 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,160 word spirit is sort of synonymous with 1066 00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:40,160 non-material in the traditions that i 1067 00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,119 study 1068 00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,599 um the outlook comes out of a very 1069 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,800 archaic set of philosophies that are um 1070 00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,560 um 1071 00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,800 go a lot farther back then or the 1072 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,240 indication is they go a lot farther back 1073 00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,240 than ancient um the beginning of ancient 1074 00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,960 egypt but in these philosophies the idea 1075 00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,839 is 1076 00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,440 that at bottom 1077 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,920 universes form in pairs 1078 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,280 and that 1079 00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,760 our material universe has a twin that is 1080 00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,800 a non-material universe and these two 1081 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,640 came out of twin placentas these are 1082 00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,800 siblings they're talking about 1083 00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,240 one is considered to be feminine the 1084 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,400 other is considered to be masculine and 1085 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,480 it's the energies the flow of energy 1086 00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,920 there's a flow of energy between these 1087 00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:21,359 universes that 1088 00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,040 is as essential to life as the natural 1089 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,920 water cycle it's compared to um you know 1090 00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,920 water evaporating from the oceans to 1091 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,520 form clouds that rise up over the 1092 00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,359 mountains and then create rain that 1093 00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,280 flows back down through the rivers to 1094 00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,520 the ocean it's that cycle without that 1095 00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,880 cycle there would be no life on the 1096 00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,000 planet 1097 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,920 the dogen and other cultures are saying 1098 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,760 that without a cycle of energy similar 1099 00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,400 to that between these two universes that 1100 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,119 there would be no life in the universe 1101 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,440 now this also touches on interesting 1102 00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:53,200 ideas of consciousness and and how to be 1103 00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:54,079 able to 1104 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,960 uh 1105 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,800 kind of talk to the other side of or 1106 00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,560 that other universe that paired universe 1107 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:01,680 and i know graham hancock has has uh uh 1108 00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,670 ayahuasca to 1109 00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,079 essentially you know when he goes on 1110 00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,520 when he uses it 1111 00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:13,359 he's contacted by these beings who are 1112 00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,480 essentially 1113 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,240 there to kind of go at least 1114 00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:17,839 kind of guide humanity or at least guide 1115 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,280 the people who make that crossing uh to 1116 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,320 first of all teach them where they've 1117 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,520 messed up in their life and then kind of 1118 00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,200 move them forward and give them some 1119 00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,440 type of enlightenment um 1120 00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,960 now like from my understanding and my 1121 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,359 reading is that the dogon have have used 1122 00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,880 at least some that like they're within 1123 00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,119 that range of of africa of having used 1124 00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,920 that type of mind expanding 1125 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,839 um uh you know something to be able to 1126 00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,520 kind of like expand the mind to to touch 1127 00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,200 onto that other wavelength ibogaine i 1128 00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,040 think is the tradition in africa okay 1129 00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,040 not ayahuasca okay 1130 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,359 uh similar but a little bit different so 1131 00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,200 it like is this something along the same 1132 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,640 lines where 1133 00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,400 uh you know 1134 00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,720 cultures throughout the ages have used 1135 00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,960 some type of medium to 1136 00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,599 uh kind of cross over 1137 00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:03,599 to that other or at least contact that 1138 00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:04,400 other 1139 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,119 uh 1140 00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,200 it's just paired universe are you asking 1141 00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,359 if the dogen get loaded or 1142 00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,440 not again we drink scotch here so we get 1143 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,800 a different type of loaded so it's kind 1144 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,040 of a different word um but yeah kind of 1145 00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,480 along those lines 1146 00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,359 um 1147 00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,119 that's not what the dog can attribute 1148 00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,839 things to um the anthrop okay 1149 00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,839 the dogan studies come out of three 1150 00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,640 decades of anthropological study by 1151 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,160 the premier 1152 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:30,400 european anthropologist of his day a 1153 00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,320 gentleman by the name of marcel griel 1154 00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,960 who was from france he brought teams 1155 00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,000 into 1156 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,160 dogon country 1157 00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,440 every year for uh three decades 1158 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:44,079 and became so familiar and so trusted by 1159 00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,320 the tribe that he was actually himself 1160 00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,880 initiated in their esoteric tradition 1161 00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,680 he was granted citizenship in the tribe 1162 00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,400 and when he died in 1956 they gave him a 1163 00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,240 dog and burial 1164 00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,160 so this is a guy who knew the the 1165 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,319 tradition very well and he says 1166 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,400 that the dogan have 1167 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,839 mastery over 1168 00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:04,560 the 1169 00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,760 plants and 1170 00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,839 organisms that are growing in their 1171 00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,760 region but that's not what they 1172 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,000 attribute this to 1173 00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:24,800 their teachings in ancient time is 1174 00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,920 described and strictly 1175 00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,599 this is action that happens within a 1176 00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,200 material frame 1177 00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:32,400 uh 1178 00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,470 i think you had mentioned once before 1179 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,560 that the the i mean not just the symbols 1180 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,640 coming from potential non-human source 1181 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,680 but uh 1182 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,200 some of the agricultural concepts that 1183 00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,040 they're using over there 1184 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,359 maybe we can talk about that in a minute 1185 00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,640 yes uh the 1186 00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,359 the plan this instructed plan is has two 1187 00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,200 pieces to it 1188 00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,000 um the first piece was a civil and 1189 00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,560 instructed civilizing plan whose whose 1190 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,800 purpose was to teach us how to be 1191 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,960 farmers basically 1192 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:06,000 and 1193 00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:10,800 that civilizing plan was integrated with 1194 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,319 a plan of creation a concept a system of 1195 00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,680 creation and when we say creation 1196 00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,839 the dogan are talking about 1197 00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,680 three themes 1198 00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,599 how the universe forms 1199 00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:25,200 how matter forms 1200 00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,319 and how biological reproduction happens 1201 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,560 now from their perspective 1202 00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,880 those three processes are parallel 1203 00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,760 processes and they are so similar to one 1204 00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,040 another 1205 00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,680 that the dogen use a single progression 1206 00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,480 of symbols to simultaneously describe 1207 00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,359 all three of those themes so any when we 1208 00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,760 ask what does a symbol mean what does an 1209 00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,079 egyptian or nogan symbol mean 1210 00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,520 that's not really a fair question we 1211 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040 really have to ask what does it mean in 1212 00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,200 relation to one of those themes because 1213 00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,720 the meanings are slightly different for 1214 00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:59,119 example the shape of a hemisphere if 1215 00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:00,319 we're talking about biological 1216 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,160 reproduction represents an expanded womb 1217 00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,760 if we're talking about the formation of 1218 00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,680 mass or matter it represents the 1219 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,599 expansion of mass 1220 00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,720 so it's the same basic concept it falls 1221 00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,000 at a parallel place along the 1222 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,240 progression of of how 1223 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,400 this creative process happens 1224 00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,240 but with a slightly different take on 1225 00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,560 what the symbol represents 1226 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,520 so just as a biological reproduction 1227 00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,119 it begins with 1228 00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,440 the fertilization of an egg 1229 00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:31,599 so does the formation of the universe it 1230 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,870 so basically you're learning you're 1231 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,400 learning one set of symbols and being 1232 00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,240 able to apply it three times it's a very 1233 00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,000 very efficient system they're 1234 00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,680 particularly good for sustaining their 1235 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,440 culture i think you could 1236 00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,440 you'd call that maybe uh memetic 1237 00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,520 versatility or something yeah it's a 1238 00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,560 very mnemonic system the the 1239 00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,560 structures of their daily life 1240 00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,200 are there to reinforce the the teachings 1241 00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,200 of cosmology it's a self-reinforcing 1242 00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,680 structure arguably it's the same 1243 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,319 structure that we know with certainty 1244 00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,160 survived in egypt for three thousand 1245 00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:09,599 almost three thousand years 1246 00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:12,640 uh now with with regards to um uh you 1247 00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,319 know egypt versus the dogon uh 1248 00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,680 is there like a clear consensus from 1249 00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,160 what you've been able to find from uh 1250 00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,400 that like egypt and and the dogon were 1251 00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,920 one in the same around what time was 1252 00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,000 was there a transition and you know 1253 00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,319 they're on other either on either sides 1254 00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,079 of the continent so was there a 1255 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,560 migration by one or the other how did 1256 00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,640 that work out 1257 00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,400 first i have to say that there is 1258 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,640 absolutely no consensus on any of this 1259 00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,480 there is nobody who accepts this stuff 1260 00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,240 except me basically 1261 00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:45,839 there certainly is no academic person 1262 00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:48,880 who accepts these things however 1263 00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:52,160 there is a growing list of 1264 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:53,040 of 1265 00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,160 academic 1266 00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,599 questions 1267 00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:56,960 that 1268 00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,640 resolved by this stuff 1269 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,280 i'll give you an example um i told you 1270 00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,800 about the french anthropologist coming 1271 00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,359 in for 30 years to study the dogan tribe 1272 00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,359 well when robert temple wrote his book 1273 00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,440 the serious mystery suddenly that study 1274 00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,280 became controversial 1275 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,720 they were taught robert temple was 1276 00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,599 trying to cast it as an alien evidence 1277 00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,520 of an alien contact 1278 00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:21,680 and that was highly controversial so 1279 00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,960 first carl sagan uh spoke up and said 1280 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,560 well the reason the dog can understand 1281 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,560 things about astronomy they should know 1282 00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,240 is because clearly they've had a modern 1283 00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,680 visitor who told them about it 1284 00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,359 that answer stood for 1285 00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,000 a couple of decades what what sagan 1286 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:39,760 didn't think about was that the whole 1287 00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,160 body of knowledge that that information 1288 00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,760 comes out of 1289 00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:45,680 is expressed using ancient egyptian 1290 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,960 words that went out of use by 750 bc 1291 00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,839 so 1292 00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,839 that's an immediate credibility problem 1293 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,359 for this modern visitor why would they 1294 00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,440 have given it to the dogan using 1295 00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,280 archaic words 1296 00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,200 the second thing is the dogen are 1297 00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,520 talking about the presence of a second 1298 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,920 star in the syria system 1299 00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,480 in ancient egypt 1300 00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,000 myth tell us that we know from the 1301 00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,480 ancient egyptian myths that 1302 00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,319 in greek terms the goddess isis 1303 00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,119 represents sothis or sirius 1304 00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,119 and to be able to say that we sort of 1305 00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,200 have to tacitly agree to play a game a 1306 00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:20,960 symbolic game and the guy called the 1307 00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,319 game when you say goddess i say star 1308 00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,720 well those same myths tell us that isis 1309 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,720 had a sister named neptus who was a dark 1310 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,480 sister 1311 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,800 so we can see from the egyptian myth 1312 00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,560 that they were on top of the same 1313 00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,000 information they knew that there were 1314 00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,920 two stars there 1315 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,880 so 1316 00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,560 sagan just didn't perf 1317 00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:43,119 his statement was a sensible one but if 1318 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,560 he pursued it a little bit farther he 1319 00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,800 would have realized it couldn't be right 1320 00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,800 now a similar thing happened with the 1321 00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,280 dogan studies the 30-year studies 1322 00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:53,440 that the french anthropologists did that 1323 00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,720 once the tribe became controversial 1324 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,520 then 1325 00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,920 a belgian anthropologist who especially 1326 00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,160 wasn't even religion especially with 1327 00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,599 ecology 1328 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:05,599 took a team back in for a few years to 1329 00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,309 had studied 1330 00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160 and in anthropology it's not uncommon 1331 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,079 for that to happen that a second 1332 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:18,000 anthropologist will recently study some 1333 00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,560 piece of what a prior anthropologist 1334 00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,720 studied but in this case the guy was 1335 00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,280 trying to restudy in three or four years 1336 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,200 what griol had studied over the course 1337 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,920 of 30 years and greel had described the 1338 00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,400 dogan esoteric tradition as 1339 00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:35,280 a closely held secret tradition that one 1340 00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,079 where 1341 00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:37,599 the 1342 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,359 you're a dogan priest and i'm an 1343 00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,920 initiate or i'm an outsider of any kind 1344 00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,520 and i ask you a question about the 1345 00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,640 tradition 1346 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,400 as long as that question is is 1347 00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,440 appropriate to my status as a student 1348 00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,119 you are you are obligated to give me a 1349 00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,800 truthful answer 1350 00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,880 but if you 1351 00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,400 if the question that i ask is not 1352 00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,640 appropriate to my status you are 1353 00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,359 required to either remain silent or to 1354 00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,839 lie if you have to to protect secrets of 1355 00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,119 the tradition 1356 00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,839 now that's exactly the same 1357 00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,240 scenario that exists with the maori in 1358 00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,720 new zealand one of the reasons that one 1359 00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,079 of the pivotal connections between the 1360 00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,839 two is that the structure of this 1361 00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,240 esoteric tradition is almost precisely 1362 00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,559 the same described in the same terms by 1363 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,800 the early researchers of that tradition 1364 00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,400 as greolust 1365 00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,280 so 1366 00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,119 the belgian anthropologist goes into 1367 00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,720 dougan country studies it for a few 1368 00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,119 years comes back out and says that in 1369 00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,000 his opinion there is no dog in cosmology 1370 00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,599 the dogan priests are so obliging 1371 00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,680 that when the french anthropologist kept 1372 00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,760 asking these questions they just made 1373 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:45,760 stuff up and told it to him 1374 00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,520 it wasn't a real system at all 1375 00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,119 well again 1376 00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,440 we have a situation where the belgian 1377 00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:55,839 anthropologist 1378 00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,720 stopped a step too soon in his research 1379 00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,119 he didn't notice that both 1380 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,240 that the dogan cosmology 1381 00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,640 if the grand symbol of this cosmology is 1382 00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,200 an aligned and aligned shrine that the 1383 00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,880 dog can call a granary 1384 00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:13,599 that takes a very specific form as based 1385 00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,040 on a specific plan symbolic plant 1386 00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,760 the belgian didn't recognize 1387 00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:20,800 that the 1388 00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,359 buddhist cosmology is based on the exact 1389 00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:24,720 same 1390 00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,640 called a stupa 1391 00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,400 i have an adult daughter who went to 1392 00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,079 india and 1393 00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,839 uh noticed while she was there that 1394 00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,680 there were shrines all over india that 1395 00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,960 that 1396 00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,720 seemed to resemble to her the dogan 1397 00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,800 shrine so she came back and she told me 1398 00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,160 about it and i did some research and 1399 00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,400 real that's how i connected up to 1400 00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,640 um the buddhist cosmology matching the 1401 00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,760 noga 1402 00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,079 but because these cosmologies and the 1403 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,680 shrines match 1404 00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,280 it can't be the case that the noga 1405 00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:55,359 priest made up the cosmology unless 1406 00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,480 we're going to say that the dog and 1407 00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,680 priest casually embedded buddhism 1408 00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,680 it it's not a 1409 00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,440 credible perspective 1410 00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,200 so 1411 00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,280 we we have ways of demonstrating a large 1412 00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,839 part of what i do is is trying to find 1413 00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,520 ways of what i call anchoring and 1414 00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,760 interpretation and the interpretation 1415 00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,000 goes against what the 1416 00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,240 academics say i i offered the belgian 1417 00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,520 anthropologist 1418 00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:22,240 to co-report this new finding with him 1419 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,200 in a 1420 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,440 an academic journal that he edited i 1421 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,599 thought if i'm gonna gonna present a 1422 00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:29,119 point of view that goes against what his 1423 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,800 study said 1424 00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,400 the least i can do is let him share the 1425 00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,720 credit for having found it 1426 00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,040 but he didn't accept the offer and so i 1427 00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:39,040 had to find my own academic 1428 00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,319 journal to publish it i ended up 1429 00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,079 publishing a particle into an article in 1430 00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,960 2007 in anthropology news through the 1431 00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,800 university of chicago 1432 00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,119 that basically says what i just said the 1433 00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,720 dogan 1434 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:52,960 and cosmology has to be legitimate 1435 00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,440 because it's a match for buddhism 1436 00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,200 now the interest interesting thing 1437 00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,599 through my research that i found uh with 1438 00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,839 regards to uh 1439 00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,720 with regards to those two terms uh the 1440 00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,800 dogon and uh their again the granary 1441 00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,440 granaries that that you just described 1442 00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,640 the uh 1443 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,640 the philistines and i believe also 1444 00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:15,839 assumer and uh babylon like thousands 1445 00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,640 and thousands of years ago they had a 1446 00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,319 god dagon 1447 00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:23,200 who apparently was supposed to be the 1448 00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,440 uh god of uh greenery and uh of harvest 1449 00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,440 which which kind of at least sounded 1450 00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,960 very interesting to me because well 1451 00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,559 you've got the two similar 1452 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,800 similar terminologies 1453 00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,960 and also you've got two uh linking 1454 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,160 themes 1455 00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,920 right and that's how a lot of this stuff 1456 00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,000 starts it starts with a resemblance like 1457 00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,240 that that at the resemblances are 1458 00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,079 supposed to make you think 1459 00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,599 what is this scratch your head and say 1460 00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,440 how could that possibly be 1461 00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,720 don't you think there's a connection 1462 00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,720 here and then to go find a way to 1463 00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,960 research it and find a way to anchor 1464 00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,880 the connection and that's sort of the 1465 00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,559 entire process that i go through it 1466 00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,200 starts with resemblances but 1467 00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,440 there's a there's an inherent problem 1468 00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,280 for somebody like me and the problem is 1469 00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,520 that the human brain 1470 00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,119 finds patterns 1471 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,319 wired to find patterns um and if you've 1472 00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,760 ever ever laid and look up you know a 1473 00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,280 child lying on the ground looking up at 1474 00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,240 the sky looking at the clouds their 1475 00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,319 their instinct is to see pictures in the 1476 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,160 clouds they see oh look there's a turtle 1477 00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,440 and look there's a horse and there's a 1478 00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,880 dog 1479 00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,720 that's the way the brain works and the 1480 00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,240 risk for somebody like me is you're 1481 00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,000 going to go chasing off after some 1482 00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,920 resemblance that looks like it's a real 1483 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,359 thing but 1484 00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,960 when you finally get to the bottom of it 1485 00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,559 objectively there's no pattern there 1486 00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,079 it's not a match 1487 00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,839 you want causality and what you get is a 1488 00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,480 hop skip and a jump 1489 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,520 yes that's right that's exactly right so 1490 00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,040 the trick is to try to find a way to 1491 00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,720 anchor these things 1492 00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,240 that is 1493 00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,160 intuitively correct this is a field of 1494 00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,720 study where you can't prove things 1495 00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,480 mathematically you can't prove it with 1496 00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,720 statistics you can't prove it to five 1497 00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:00,960 decimal positions and so you have to 1498 00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,920 find some other way to demonstrate it 1499 00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,599 when it comes to the structure of matter 1500 00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,839 comparisons the way to demonstrate it is 1501 00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,920 side by side comparison 1502 00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,000 i was taught that 1503 00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,599 when you're researching a question in 1504 00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,720 science 1505 00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,800 and you find yourself bumping up against 1506 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:19,520 the third coincidence it's time to 1507 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,640 consider 1508 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,000 whether something might be going on 1509 00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,920 other than coincidence 1510 00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,000 compounding correlation 1511 00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,440 yeah if you think if you define a 1512 00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,960 coincidence as a one in a thousand 1513 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,400 chance let's say 1514 00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,760 by the time you get to the third one 1515 00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,040 you're dealing with some pretty heavy 1516 00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,640 numbers in terms of the statistical 1517 00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,240 chance that this could be true it's time 1518 00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,319 to buy a lottery ticket at that point 1519 00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,440 yes 1520 00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,440 so um that's a large part of what i do 1521 00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,000 is as with the scarab brave side trying 1522 00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,720 to find a way to positively anchor two 1523 00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:48,720 things 1524 00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,920 for scarbrade that the initial uh point 1525 00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,960 of 1526 00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,280 habitation was about five thousand years 1527 00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,000 ago it's about like 3000 plus bc some 1528 00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,160 people have have placed it at as early 1529 00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,839 as 3800 bc 1530 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:02,960 uh 1531 00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,680 between let's say egypt of the dogon 1532 00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,640 and 1533 00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,800 let's say sites like go back to tepe 1534 00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,119 which i i know if this were some other 1535 00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,880 shows people would be taking a shot 1536 00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,680 right now uh by by me saying that so go 1537 00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,800 right ahead 1538 00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,880 um 1539 00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,960 no actually go back to tepe plays plays 1540 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,040 into this as far as i'm concerned go 1541 00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:26,960 back to tepe is the first indication we 1542 00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,920 have of this system of cosmology 1543 00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,520 all the symbolism that we find there all 1544 00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,520 the symbolic elements we find there 1545 00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,480 trace forward to the other traditions 1546 00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,599 that i've written about 1547 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,440 was there anything particularly unique 1548 00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:43,760 about the dogan architecture that stands 1549 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,589 well the 1550 00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,480 the the feature that the scottish 1551 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,079 researchers were calling unique was the 1552 00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,200 round beehive room but the combination 1553 00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,440 of features the fact that you have these 1554 00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,119 rooms that fit together in that 1555 00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:03,200 configuration as a body 1556 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:04,000 is 1557 00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:05,520 a 1558 00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,960 interesting point of view my um 1559 00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:17,040 i came at this 1560 00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,480 because of a question that uh a very 1561 00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,400 distant acquaintance in australia asked 1562 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,920 me by email they wanted to know if i 1563 00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,040 thought there could be egyptian 1564 00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,359 influences in northern scotland 1565 00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,359 at scarbrea 1566 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,000 well i know that 3200 bc is really too 1567 00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,000 early a little too early for that to be 1568 00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,200 possible that that dynastic egypt hadn't 1569 00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,119 organized itself enough 1570 00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,599 even within within itself 1571 00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:43,200 to to be believable that they could 1572 00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,800 mount an expedition at that point all 1573 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,040 the way across the continent 1574 00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,880 to scarborough 1575 00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,119 but still that was the perspective i was 1576 00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,200 working from is that i'm seeing egyptian 1577 00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,280 and dogen influences at scarbrey and i 1578 00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,720 thought well that's very interesting 1579 00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,680 because 1580 00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:00,240 the dogan house doesn't have the hearth 1581 00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,359 and so 1582 00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,359 when they implemented the house plan i 1583 00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,280 was looking at scarab ray 1584 00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,599 they added the hearth but they added it 1585 00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,359 in keeping with the cosmology of the 1586 00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,760 house it sits where the heart should be 1587 00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:13,040 i thought that was very interesting that 1588 00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,480 someone had enough perspective to do 1589 00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,680 that 1590 00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,599 until i got about a third of the way 1591 00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,799 into my research process and realized 1592 00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,319 that all the evidence i was seeing 1593 00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,640 played out much more easily if i reverse 1594 00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,960 my point of view that it wasn't dogan 1595 00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,880 and egyptian influences on scotland i 1596 00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,760 was seeing it was scottish influences on 1597 00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,440 the dogen and egypt 1598 00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,359 and from that perspective then 1599 00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,119 the scarab ray house is the original 1600 00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,920 plan it may even be the plan that the 1601 00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:41,520 myth of the seven houses is talking 1602 00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,839 about 1603 00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,400 and 1604 00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,000 the dogan would have removed the hearth 1605 00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:48,000 when they moved to uh an area of the 1606 00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,200 world where it was warm enough they 1607 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,520 didn't need hearth in the house 1608 00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,200 it's like why would you have a you know 1609 00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,319 central central air in a place that is 1610 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,720 uh constantly minus 20 or minus 30 which 1611 00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:00,240 it is today here in canada i can tell 1612 00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,040 you that 1613 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,400 um 1614 00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,760 it's kind of interesting to say that 1615 00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,200 because i know that like some work i've 1616 00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,720 been doing uh doing outside of the debt 1617 00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,720 of lore has been dealing with a lot of 1618 00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,880 uh dealing with um you know what's 1619 00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,319 called like the heart the heart mind 1620 00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,160 like how how 1621 00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,400 you can gain certain wisdom or certain 1622 00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,880 perception by at least focusing on uh 1623 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,559 the emotions while you're actually 1624 00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,240 considering uh 1625 00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,160 certain facts or certain 1626 00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,880 uh you know certain points of interest 1627 00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,680 uh 1628 00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:30,079 that kind of at least like it kind of 1629 00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,520 was a touch point to me there may not be 1630 00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,000 any correlation there but it goes to the 1631 00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,480 idea of wisdom and experience as 1632 00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,920 potential symbolism 1633 00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,240 well in the archaic philosophies that 1634 00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,440 underlie this 1635 00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,280 um system 1636 00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,440 it's understood okay uh there's a 1637 00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,920 description given the the non-material 1638 00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,720 universe is characterized as having 1639 00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,240 perfect knowledge 1640 00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,119 but an inability to act 1641 00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,640 and the material universe is 1642 00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,400 characterized as having imperfect 1643 00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,280 knowledge with full ability to act 1644 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,480 and in that context it's understood that 1645 00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,839 routine attempts are made 1646 00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:09,119 to um 1647 00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,319 communicate information that will 1648 00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,240 initiate an action from the non-material 1649 00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,920 side to the material side i compare it 1650 00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:16,240 to a game of charades where you can give 1651 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,520 a single clue 1652 00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,200 and hope that the person gives you back 1653 00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,359 the whatever the concept is you were 1654 00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,359 trying to get evoke from them 1655 00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,680 well this is and these 1656 00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:27,680 in the view of the philosophy play out 1657 00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:28,400 in 1658 00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,920 specific ways they happen 1659 00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:32,960 through 1660 00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,599 vivid images and dreams 1661 00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:37,920 they happen through what look like 1662 00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,200 coincidences in daily life 1663 00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,119 you can see them through 1664 00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,520 unusual behavior of animals 1665 00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,119 through 1666 00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,680 clairvoyance and divination 1667 00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,359 and through you know techniques like you 1668 00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,720 were talking about being able to focus 1669 00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,119 on an emotional um an emotion at the 1670 00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,880 same time that you're considering a an 1671 00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,839 idea 1672 00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,720 but 1673 00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,880 that from their perspective there are 1674 00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:01,920 active 1675 00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,440 communicate that information for whoever 1676 00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,670 viewing it in a subtle enough way to 1677 00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,920 understand that that information is is 1678 00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:13,520 being passed 1679 00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,400 and 1680 00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,240 predominantly why do you think that this 1681 00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:19,680 information was being was being given 1682 00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,960 okay that there's an entire books worth 1683 00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,400 of foundation 1684 00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,319 for that and it's a book that hasn't 1685 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:29,200 been published yet okay but but i can 1686 00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,480 tell you that 1687 00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:32,559 at bottom 1688 00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,920 there is a sensible rationale right 1689 00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,960 for 1690 00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,880 how it could be that a non-material 1691 00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,160 teacher would have 1692 00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,720 been able to act in a material frame 1693 00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,880 there's a sensible rationale for why 1694 00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,119 this communication goes on 1695 00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:49,440 a sensible reason for why the esoteric 1696 00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,720 tradition was 1697 00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:53,119 created in the first place 1698 00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,720 um 1699 00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,480 more than a sensible rationale it's like 1700 01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:57,839 there's a there is an underlying 1701 01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,880 compelling motive for why this happens 1702 01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,760 and 1703 01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,559 to get to it you have to deal with 1704 01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,720 very fundamental concepts of science one 1705 01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,720 of the things about the dogan system i 1706 01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,799 said i had matched up 1707 01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,880 the progressive stages of matters that 1708 01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,240 are going to have from atoms all the way 1709 01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:16,720 down to waves the problem is that the 1710 01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,160 dogen include several steps below that 1711 01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,079 that the modern scientists don't talk 1712 01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,000 about they don't either they don't know 1713 01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,160 about it or they don't discuss it 1714 01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:28,720 and there are drawings of shapes and 1715 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,599 descriptions of concepts that i had no 1716 01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,640 scientific correlation for 1717 01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:36,880 and so part of what this unpublished 1718 01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,240 book will do probably in 2018 is when i 1719 01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,480 expect it'll be published 1720 01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:44,000 is 1721 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,799 it 1722 01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:46,319 synchronizes 1723 01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,839 that mythic 1724 01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,000 part of this structure of matter with 1725 01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,760 science in a way that i think is 1726 01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,880 coherent 1727 01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,839 and 1728 01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:55,680 when you integrate those two 1729 01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,520 perspectives together then suddenly 1730 01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,119 information sort of 1731 01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,599 plays out it becomes apparent what what 1732 01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:05,599 the rationale was behind this why things 1733 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,520 are the way they are and it incorporates 1734 01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,680 fundamental concepts from kabbalism and 1735 01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,599 from buddhism and from the dogan 1736 01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,680 tradition in ancient egypt from the 1737 01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,839 maori from pretty much every culture 1738 01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,920 that i've studied there are pieces of 1739 01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,079 piece of this pieces of this pie that 1740 01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:24,640 that play into this understanding of how 1741 01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,589 okay the idea that there is a 1742 01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,599 a non-material realm that we can't 1743 01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,119 readily see 1744 01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,920 is one that sounds pretty 1745 01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,240 questionable and the idea that something 1746 01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:40,400 that's non-material can become material 1747 01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,359 is something that seems pretty 1748 01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,680 questionable but 1749 01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,920 if you stop and consider 1750 01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,839 that 1751 01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,839 the quantum world as we describe it 1752 01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:52,400 scientifically begins as waves 1753 01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,200 and 1754 01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:55,280 simply detecting the wave simply an 1755 01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,799 active of 1756 01:02:05,510 --> 01:01:57,839 of 1757 01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,520 particle like 1758 01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,440 instantaneously it happens so quickly we 1759 01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,680 can't even see it happen 1760 01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:11,200 and there's nothing we can do to stop it 1761 01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,400 from happening 1762 01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,400 and what that if you think about it that 1763 01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,839 perspective 1764 01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,599 is flatly saying that something that we 1765 01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:19,520 consider to be non-material which is the 1766 01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:21,040 wave 1767 01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,839 can 1768 01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,359 present itself to us as something that 1769 01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,160 is material which is a particle 1770 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,430 wild science that's fundamental science 1771 01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,549 um from the dogen perspective 1772 01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,880 it's such an automatic thing it's as as 1773 01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,119 intuitive and automatic as water turning 1774 01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,960 into ice it's the same kind of a process 1775 01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:44,160 it's compared 1776 01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:44,960 to 1777 01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,599 a phase transition which is what ice 1778 01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:49,680 forming is 1779 01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,400 well 1780 01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,240 what you're saying reminds me of the 1781 01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:54,799 quote that's often attributed to buddha 1782 01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,319 but uh apparently you know it could also 1783 01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,960 be attributed to 1784 01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:00,799 which is when the student is ready the 1785 01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,680 teacher will appear 1786 01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,319 and that that's actually 1787 01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:08,079 something that i think is probably true 1788 01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,119 um 1789 01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,799 any when i have discussions with other 1790 01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:12,079 people who are researching in these 1791 01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,200 fields 1792 01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:14,880 it's like i'm talking to myself there 1793 01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,119 are odd things that happen from the time 1794 01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,920 you start working with it um i sort of 1795 01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,319 if i describe myself i say quote unquote 1796 01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:23,839 out of the box you know as i came out of 1797 01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,720 my packaging out of the the wrapped box 1798 01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,559 i was the probably the least spiritually 1799 01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,319 connected person i knew or i would have 1800 01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,400 described myself as being 1801 01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:34,079 as soon as i started researching this 1802 01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:38,000 stuff all sorts of odd things happen 1803 01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,000 some of them very tangible some of them 1804 01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,839 witnessed 1805 01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,640 some of them very subjective 1806 01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,440 and part of the process is learning how 1807 01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,760 to distinguish between 1808 01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,359 same thing as the symbolism being able 1809 01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:54,160 to distinguish between 1810 01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:55,680 a resemblance that you can anchor and 1811 01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,200 one that you can't anchor 1812 01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,400 give you an example of a tangible 1813 01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:05,200 situation early when i was researching 1814 01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,559 hidden meanings i didn't know i was 1815 01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:08,480 researching i was just following a trail 1816 01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,839 of sources 1817 01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,839 i realized that the next source i needed 1818 01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,119 to acquire 1819 01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:15,280 was a book called ancient near eastern 1820 01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:20,950 and i this was before you could go 1821 01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:23,520 online and do book searches online so i 1822 01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,760 had exhausted all of the local 1823 01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:27,599 bookstores the new the new bookstores 1824 01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,559 the used book stores um i had even gone 1825 01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,400 so far as to go to the vassar college 1826 01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:34,240 library to their interlibrary loan 1827 01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:35,680 service and ask if they could get the 1828 01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,319 book for me and they couldn't 1829 01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,960 and so finally after weeks of trying to 1830 01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,039 locate one i finally had to come back to 1831 01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,880 my wife reesa and say well it looks like 1832 01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,839 i'm not going to be able to get that 1833 01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:47,760 book 1834 01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,319 a few days later a box turned up at our 1835 01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,400 back door 1836 01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,200 my wife had an aging cousin who lived in 1837 01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,200 queens new york who lived in a little 1838 01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:59,119 apartment and every so often it would 1839 01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,039 sort of reach reach critical mass in his 1840 01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,039 apartment and he would uh decide to 1841 01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,559 divest of things and he would toss a 1842 01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:06,559 bunch of random stuff you know flags of 1843 01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,680 the nation and you know hot mitts and 1844 01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,039 anything he that he didn't need in his 1845 01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,119 apartment he would toss into a box 1846 01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:15,280 address it to a relative and mail it off 1847 01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,720 you know not even checking with them 1848 01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,920 first well it was anything they even 1849 01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:19,440 wanted 1850 01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,240 so 1851 01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,960 in the box was my book 1852 01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,200 and this cousin had no idea that i even 1853 01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,960 had an interest in the subject when we 1854 01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,240 asked him about it he couldn't even 1855 01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:29,920 remember having owned the book 1856 01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,750 um it's like if you will it will 1857 01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:38,160 manifest if you if you need it it will 1858 01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:39,440 show itself 1859 01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,000 um in the book point of origin one of 1860 01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,599 the things one of the central images 1861 01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,760 that things come down to is a highly 1862 01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:48,319 secretive image in ancient times it was 1863 01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:51,680 so secretive that in 1100 a.d 1864 01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,000 a chinese emperor banned the image from 1865 01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,760 being included in a master volume on 1866 01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:57,039 buddhism 1867 01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,319 it's 1868 01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,240 i could tell from the dogan descriptions 1869 01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,559 there are relationships between 1870 01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:04,240 the dogan cosmology and the buddhist 1871 01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,920 cosmology that play out in relation to 1872 01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:10,400 the elephant god ganesha 1873 01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,440 um 1874 01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:13,680 and ganesha's symbolism and point of 1875 01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,640 origin there's a chapter that um 1876 01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,880 explains how 1877 01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:21,119 symbolism that relates to ganesha that a 1878 01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:24,079 yale professor knew had to relate to 1879 01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,000 progressive stages of creation 1880 01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:30,000 fit the context that the dogan described 1881 01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,599 if you put it if you unders if you look 1882 01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,200 at it interpret it in terms of the 1883 01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,440 contest context you suddenly understand 1884 01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,119 what it represents 1885 01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,079 well i could tell from the dogan system 1886 01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:42,160 that there really should be two ganeshas 1887 01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,680 there should be a male and a female 1888 01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,960 ganesha 1889 01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,640 and that 1890 01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,400 you were talking about go back to tepe 1891 01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,880 one the probably the most immediate 1892 01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,559 symbol that you think i think of when i 1893 01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,319 think of go back to tepe 1894 01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:56,480 is the the two 1895 01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,920 carved arms that run down the sides of a 1896 01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,359 pillar 1897 01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:03,039 and the hands wrap around the end of the 1898 01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,910 it took me a while to understand that 1899 01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,599 what was trying to be represented there 1900 01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,480 was the concept of an embrace 1901 01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:14,960 just as a sleeping goddess waking up is 1902 01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:15,680 a 1903 01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,240 the coming together of those energies is 1904 01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,880 characterized as an embrace 1905 01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:24,079 so i knew 1906 01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,440 that 1907 01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,119 based on my understanding from the dogan 1908 01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,359 side that there should have been archaic 1909 01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:31,039 images of 1910 01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:33,760 hugging or embracing ganesha's 1911 01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,599 and so i went on a search for it and i 1912 01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,559 searched the cultures that i had studied 1913 01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,520 and 1914 01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,359 could find some references to it but 1915 01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,599 couldn't find an image 1916 01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,359 because it was a secret image it was so 1917 01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,960 secretive an image that in india was 1918 01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:49,200 only allowed to be housed in 1919 01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,720 portable shrines that could be moved on 1920 01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,880 a moment's notice 1921 01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:54,160 i finally 1922 01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:57,839 came across a modern image of it in 1923 01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,640 japan and it survived in japan 1924 01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:03,280 um and once i knew what to refer to it 1925 01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,240 as then 1926 01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,079 my uh i was looking online to see if i 1927 01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,760 could find that like a little statue of 1928 01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,839 it and my wife actually turned one up in 1929 01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,160 india that she could buy for she could 1930 01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,160 order for not very much money 1931 01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,239 um a metal statue of these hugging 1932 01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,520 ganeshas 1933 01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,159 and so we placed the order for it and we 1934 01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,839 were told it would be 68 weeks for 1935 01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,679 shipping 1936 01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,040 so we thought well we can wait that long 1937 01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:26,880 for it to come 1938 01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:33,910 so it's another 1939 01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,719 uh 1940 01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,719 series of examples of 1941 01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,400 the thing that that you when you when 1942 01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,239 you declare positively this is something 1943 01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:42,319 that i need to be able to move on from 1944 01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,070 now with reference to uh like ganesha 1945 01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,080 and having that embrace and i was able 1946 01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:54,480 to find one image while i'm searching of 1947 01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,759 against a ganesh statue hugging another 1948 01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,440 either a person 1949 01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,120 or um 1950 01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,279 or another ganesh i i can't see the 1951 01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,600 ganesh uses amazon prime no that's a 1952 01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,199 possible this is this is also a stock a 1953 01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,880 stock photo so it's interesting that you 1954 01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,719 mentioned that because like the the the 1955 01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:12,480 imagery does exist as an actual statue 1956 01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,679 out somewhere 1957 01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,640 yeah 1958 01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,880 the one i have is a brass statue and 1959 01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:18,640 it's it's 1960 01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,679 two equal sized uh uh figures 1961 01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,560 one wearing uh what's essentially a 1962 01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,560 jewish kippah it's a symbol of the sun 1963 01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,400 that represents the material universe 1964 01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,000 the other one's not wearing one 1965 01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,640 symbolizing the non-material 1966 01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:34,960 and there are like i even came across 1967 01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,560 specific descriptions of how these 1968 01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,359 statues have to be built how high they 1969 01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:40,799 need to be what materials they're made 1970 01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,279 out of what features the figures have to 1971 01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,440 be wearing this is a 1972 01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,799 a very pivotal 1973 01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,640 image then were you able to determine 1974 01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,719 what the use or 1975 01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,560 the use of the statue would be if it had 1976 01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,719 those specifications 1977 01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,159 well it 1978 01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,840 i'm 1979 01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,320 in the original form of these traditions 1980 01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,800 they were non-iconic 1981 01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:04,640 they had iconic objects but they didn't 1982 01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,600 make car 1983 01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,120 graven images of things they didn't try 1984 01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,080 to represent a deity in a form 1985 01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,159 they not like the in egypt where you 1986 01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,719 would see a statue of a god 1987 01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,159 or in ancient greece where you see 1988 01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,400 statues human 1989 01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,880 shaped statues of gods in the original 1990 01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,600 tradition there were no iconic images 1991 01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:24,640 and so 1992 01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,040 the idea of creating a statue with 1993 01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:29,199 hugging ganeshas sort of goes against 1994 01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:33,520 the original mindset of the tradition 1995 01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,199 but 1996 01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,120 ultimately was there to represent the 1997 01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,040 from my point of view the the interface 1998 01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,000 between these two universes and 1999 01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,600 the information about the existence of 2000 01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:45,280 the second the universe is one of those 2001 01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:48,480 secretive pieces that wasn't just handed 2002 01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,600 out 2003 01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,920 and with this type of imagery uh being 2004 01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,239 prevalent and again i'm in advertising 2005 01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,800 and branding and design so i have uh 2006 01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,880 at least an extensive uh background in 2007 01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,960 terms of design themes being carried 2008 01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,800 over and and how 2009 01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,080 you know they don't just 2010 01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,320 they're not just uh coincidental if 2011 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,600 something's designed a certain way and 2012 01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,520 there's a certain feature it is for a 2013 01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:11,360 very good reason i've always i've always 2014 01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:12,400 found 2015 01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,920 right and the 2016 01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,000 theme of that of that that hand 2017 01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:19,440 placement for for the embrace uh and i 2018 01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,560 know that there have been connections 2019 01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,640 that have been made by individuals like 2020 01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,199 robert shock and and graham hancock with 2021 01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,280 regards to those same that same imagery 2022 01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:30,719 being used in uh the the moai statues on 2023 01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:33,199 easter island right which 2024 01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,920 uh 2025 01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,360 again i'm not sure if this is going to 2026 01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,600 be in another in an upcoming book or not 2027 01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:40,159 but uh the 2028 01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,400 the the dating of that um um of of 2029 01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,760 easter island and some of the moai 2030 01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,080 statues can be traced back 2031 01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,840 uh to you know 2032 01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,640 pre uh you know pre the younger driest 2033 01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,960 period so we're talking 12 000 years 2034 01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,040 with that same imagery 2035 01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:58,320 so 2036 01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,920 can can discuss at this point with with 2037 01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,520 the work that you're doing 2038 01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,000 there's um a problem in terms of 2039 01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,080 a couple of problems in terms of dating 2040 01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,159 um 2041 01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,880 for a long time i thought that 2042 01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,400 the farthest back you could really 2043 01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,640 anchor an interpretation was 2044 01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,080 once there was written language around 2045 01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:21,199 3000 bc because before that 2046 01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,480 it becomes 2047 01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,800 problematic to find a convincing way to 2048 01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:26,960 be able to demonstrate that something 2049 01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,870 i got i started to get around that 2050 01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,480 problem when i studied the chinese 2051 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,080 culture which the only dates from about 2052 01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,120 3000 bc but there's a long gap in 2053 01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,440 information because things didn't we we 2054 01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:43,040 only have surviving texts from around 2055 01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,640 300 bc and so consequently in china 2056 01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,239 the academics fight over every little 2057 01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,080 nuance because there's no written text 2058 01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,840 to be able to anchor 2059 01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,159 what the thing meant 2060 01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,920 in my book on china 2061 01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:58,000 i had noticed that the farther back in 2062 01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,679 time you go the more commonality of 2063 01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,280 language you have 2064 01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,640 as a matter of fact one of the things 2065 01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:05,040 that demonstrated that to me was 2066 01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,000 uh 2067 01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,239 john anthony west and robert shock were 2068 01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,320 were planning a trip to go back to tape 2069 01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,159 and i was invited to my wife and i were 2070 01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,679 invited to a party at john's house the 2071 01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:15,520 night before they left and i wanted to 2072 01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:16,239 have 2073 01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,360 some 2074 01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,360 intelligent thing to talk about 2075 01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,679 their upcoming trip with them about so i 2076 01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,920 started considering the uh the carved 2077 01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:26,080 animals that are on those pillars 2078 01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,040 um 2079 01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:29,280 many of the animal shapes are shapes 2080 01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,880 that are important in the cosmology i 2081 01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,360 study and so my my initial instinct was 2082 01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,960 i was looking at cosmological shapes 2083 01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,880 here these represent cosmological 2084 01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,239 concepts 2085 01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,320 but there were certain animals 2086 01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,000 that i wasn't familiar with they weren't 2087 01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:44,239 familiar to me through the dogan system 2088 01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:47,840 and so i started knowing that when i had 2089 01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,800 um 2090 01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,560 commonality of language as time goes 2091 01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,600 back i started exploring the names of 2092 01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,040 those animals in the egyptian 2093 01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:56,800 hieroglyphic dictionary even though they 2094 01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,920 were these are our turkish 2095 01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,000 region figures 2096 01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,080 i thought i might be able to that there 2097 01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,600 was enough commonality that i'd be able 2098 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,440 to get some insights from the egyptian 2099 01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:08,800 dictionary as to what these animals 2100 01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,679 represented what i discovered was that 2101 01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:13,440 all of the animals represented on those 2102 01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,400 pillars 2103 01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:16,239 the names in the egyptian dictionary 2104 01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,120 were homonyms for 2105 01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,199 cosmological terms 2106 01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:22,560 in other words they're pronounced like a 2107 01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,520 cosmological term so from my perspective 2108 01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,040 what i was looking at was a kind of 2109 01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:29,040 proto writing here where a 2110 01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,400 hunter-gatherer who didn't know how to 2111 01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:32,400 read or write but knew the names of all 2112 01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,679 the animals 2113 01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,840 would walk up to a pillar at an 2114 01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:37,679 instructional site 2115 01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,719 see the name of an animal speak its name 2116 01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,800 and associate that with 2117 01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,880 whatever concept he was being instructed 2118 01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:46,159 in that was 2119 01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:53,030 so 2120 01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,030 based on that perspective 2121 01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,719 the arms to come down around the pillar 2122 01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:58,000 there 2123 01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,199 also 2124 01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:01,360 the the import of that wasn't intuitive 2125 01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:05,040 to me whoever carved those arms 2126 01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:07,120 was clearly very skilled in terms of 2127 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:08,480 stone working 2128 01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,280 and 2129 01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,199 skilled in their ability to represent 2130 01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:12,800 things by carving them we could see you 2131 01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:16,320 know all full relief figures of animals 2132 01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,920 carved there yeah that's something that 2133 01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,800 takes 2134 01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,320 uh you know 2135 01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,080 years to be able to met and like not not 2136 01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,159 we're not talking just even on a on a 2137 01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,640 cultural scale but an actual mastery 2138 01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,159 scale to be able to do that as a stone 2139 01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,480 worker that takes a long time to learn 2140 01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:32,320 yes but 2141 01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,120 what i wasn't expecting was 2142 01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,280 that that same person might not be 2143 01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,280 skilled at conveying 2144 01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,840 emotion through carving 2145 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:43,280 and conveying an emotional feeling 2146 01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,800 through carving 2147 01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,960 and so it never occurred to me that 2148 01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:48,880 those arms might represent the concept 2149 01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:51,199 of an embrace 2150 01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,080 until one day 2151 01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,520 a few years back during the middle of 2152 01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,280 the summer i thought i was researching a 2153 01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,800 half a dozen different questions 2154 01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:00,480 relating to language for different 2155 01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,760 friends 2156 01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,120 and i had been working on these for the 2157 01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:05,120 preceding week or so trying to come up 2158 01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,640 with an interpretation for them of what 2159 01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,640 a symbol meant or what a word meant or 2160 01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,760 or how it related to a certain topic 2161 01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,679 this particular morning 2162 01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,080 i came up with answers to all 2163 01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:18,719 six questions 2164 01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,400 all resolved with words from a single 2165 01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:24,320 column of a single page of the egyptian 2166 01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:27,600 hybrid glyphic dictionary 2167 01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:31,120 the seventh word on that page was a word 2168 01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,480 that 2169 01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:34,400 phonetics mean two things it means 2170 01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:37,760 pillar and it means embrace 2171 01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,199 that was the question i was researching 2172 01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:41,360 for myself was what these arms 2173 01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,640 represented 2174 01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,880 and from there i began exploring 2175 01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,880 egyptian concepts of an embrace and 2176 01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,360 realized absolutely this is fundamental 2177 01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:52,000 to what's going on here that that's the 2178 01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:53,840 initial thing that happens 2179 01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:56,560 as matter forms is this abrasive energy 2180 01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,199 that happens between the two um 2181 01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,719 universes 2182 01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:02,719 and so what we're seeing there even 2183 01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,440 though it doesn't look like a warm hug 2184 01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,199 it's supposed to represent a motherly 2185 01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:08,880 hug 2186 01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,199 and if it if it were me 2187 01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,040 it says to me something about 2188 01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,719 the 2189 01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,800 experience level that whoever 2190 01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,560 instructed that or whoever carved that 2191 01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:19,440 had 2192 01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:20,320 with 2193 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,520 human 2194 01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,790 well i i can say this alex like you know 2195 01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:28,800 if dealing with my wife my hands are 2196 01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:30,080 pretty much placed in the same position 2197 01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,510 so that that's a shape or that that 2198 01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:38,880 configuration 2199 01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,360 is part of that elephant statue but you 2200 01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,880 see it all over everywhere and 2201 01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,880 absolutely for me it represents a con 2202 01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,159 they're conveying a concept of an 2203 01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,560 embrace now there are other symbols 2204 01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,880 on those pillars that also tie to that 2205 01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,120 same outlook um it's a good thing the 2206 01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:54,880 agents like to cop a field too where we 2207 01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:02,070 it's not particularly suggestive it's 2208 01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:03,040 it's 2209 01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:07,199 waist waist high we have a waist high 2210 01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:08,640 hug happening this is supposed to 2211 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,229 we're a lighthearted show here 2212 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,590 but um 2213 01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,120 so anyway uh there are the symbols on 2214 01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:20,960 the pillars that relate to that same 2215 01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,520 thing there's uh this enigmatic shape of 2216 01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:25,360 an h that looks like an h 2217 01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:27,040 that turns up from culture to culture 2218 01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:28,800 that that no one's quite sure what's 2219 01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,520 being represented there but actually 2220 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:33,679 the explanation that i found for it 2221 01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:35,920 survived in the masonic tradition 2222 01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:39,440 i came up with an early 2223 01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:42,159 in a 1900s magazine called the new age 2224 01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,600 magazine 2225 01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,520 that described what that age repre-h 2226 01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:48,159 represents and it's meant to represent 2227 01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,080 the coming together of two universal 2228 01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,719 energies of masculine feminine energy to 2229 01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,120 catalyze formation of creation it's the 2230 01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,360 representation of of uh the circle in 2231 01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,760 the center with two pillars 2232 01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,679 right 2233 01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,040 and so 2234 01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,040 it's absolutely out of the same mindset 2235 01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:07,280 that the the concept of the embrace of 2236 01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,679 the arms represents 2237 01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,600 part of what's going on 2238 01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,080 at these sites is they 2239 01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,000 whoever put the instructional system 2240 01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,159 together wasn't seems to have been not 2241 01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:20,239 quite sure what references we were going 2242 01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,560 to connect with 2243 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,320 you know it's like 2244 01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,760 if you're trying to 2245 01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:27,520 to if you're playing charades with 2246 01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:28,800 somebody and you're not sure if they 2247 01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:30,080 were going to get a sports reference or 2248 01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,880 if they're going to get a movie 2249 01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,320 reference or if they're going to get a 2250 01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,000 book reference or whatever you might try 2251 01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:36,000 expressing the concept half a dozen 2252 01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,280 different ways until they finally get 2253 01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,840 the one year 2254 01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,360 that's why i don't make simpson's jokes 2255 01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,600 that refer to anything before season 15 2256 01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,600 with anybody under the age of 30. 2257 01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:47,120 because i just don't get it 2258 01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,480 i i make simpson's jokes because 2259 01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,000 not for that reason 2260 01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:54,880 but because matt greening was a class 2261 01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:57,040 behind me in high school oh 2262 01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:58,159 wow 2263 01:20:04,070 --> 01:19:59,679 so a lot a lot of the characters a lot 2264 01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:06,790 yeah that's that is actually very cool 2265 01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:11,430 it's so like just in just kind of like 2266 01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,520 off like off center here like when 2267 01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:15,040 you're looking at at let's say like 2268 01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:16,320 shows 2269 01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,360 that are dealing with uh you know just a 2270 01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,760 wide array of material do do you see the 2271 01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,719 same symbolism um and you know messages 2272 01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:26,320 that may be coming up in certain shows 2273 01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,920 just because somebody may be picking up 2274 01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,840 on a wavelength or may get it and 2275 01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,600 they're trying to kind of incorporate 2276 01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:32,960 that 2277 01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,480 i do see i do see movies and tv shows 2278 01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:38,400 and themes that they represent 2279 01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,199 as 2280 01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,440 often leading the way here there's a 2281 01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,239 movie out right now now called arrival 2282 01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,159 that if they don't know what they're 2283 01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:48,320 talking about they have absolutely hit 2284 01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,360 the nail on the head of some of the 2285 01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,280 essential questions 2286 01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,120 that will be dealt with in 2287 01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,800 my later book 2288 01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,880 yeah i i've been meaning to see that one 2289 01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,440 i know it's based off of a a book 2290 01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,280 and it's dealing with like that arrival 2291 01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:05,440 that's the one where a linguistics 2292 01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,560 professor is leading a team of 2293 01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:10,000 uh you know like a team of people 2294 01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,520 because aliens have showed up on earth 2295 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:12,880 and they're 2296 01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,320 you know they've got a certain language 2297 01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,760 for written in a certain language for 2298 01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,360 spoken and she has like a certain time 2299 01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:19,440 limit to get it to get it figured out 2300 01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,320 that's right that's exactly right and um 2301 01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,199 i've heard reviews of the the film where 2302 01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,800 the reviewer 2303 01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,280 um 2304 01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,880 the references 2305 01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,400 were sort of skewed to the experience of 2306 01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:34,000 the of the reviewer and the reviewer 2307 01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:35,440 didn't really like the movie that much 2308 01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,159 but 2309 01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,760 um 2310 01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:40,320 for myself my wife for my son for my 2311 01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,840 daughter the 2312 01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:44,080 this these are references that are 2313 01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,880 absolutely essential very very close to 2314 01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:48,080 the mark 2315 01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:48,960 um 2316 01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,199 of what i think is really going on 2317 01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,320 and a lot of the themes that they're 2318 01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,920 dealing with is essentially the the 2319 01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,400 symbolism of uh you know using symbolism 2320 01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:58,800 to be able to convey an abstract concept 2321 01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:01,840 in as quick a a fashion as possible 2322 01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,560 so these are things that that linguists 2323 01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:06,400 and i've worked with linguists for for 2324 01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:07,840 several years myself 2325 01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,040 advertising deals with a lot of 2326 01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:11,360 symbolism metaphors so does freemasonry 2327 01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,159 uh 2328 01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,600 you know 2329 01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:15,280 people don't necessarily understand or 2330 01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,400 consider where a lot of the words or 2331 01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,320 using the idea of a metaphor comes from 2332 01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:22,080 and i know that some people that i know 2333 01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,440 of personally 2334 01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,040 metaphors just go right over their head 2335 01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,360 but if you if if you write it out on on 2336 01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,880 a piece of paper or you tell them about 2337 01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,560 something and you explain it a certain 2338 01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:32,080 way they're going to get it 2339 01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,880 so 2340 01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:35,520 it is like 2341 01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:37,520 for this type of metaphor like i know 2342 01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,960 egypt has used metaphors to describe 2343 01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,000 like 2344 01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,679 pretty much everything a lot of their 2345 01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,840 languages is supposed to be metaphorical 2346 01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,800 um 2347 01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:48,480 with 2348 01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,199 cosmology and this type of um connection 2349 01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,920 between creation 2350 01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,840 again i'm not sure if there if this kind 2351 01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:59,199 of touches on a question i asked before 2352 01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,280 that may may relate to 2353 01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:03,760 future work but 2354 01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,880 what is the relation between 2355 01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:08,000 teaching 2356 01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,760 a culture 2357 01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,639 how 2358 01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,480 matters formed 2359 01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,239 in very abstract terms that they may not 2360 01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,840 be able to do anything with 2361 01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,679 potentially unless they have like you 2362 01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:20,159 know genetic labs like we do and using 2363 01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:21,600 that symbolism to 2364 01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,480 uh 2365 01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:24,320 to you know effectively 2366 01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,080 um influence that culture to the point 2367 01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,679 where an entire 2368 01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,080 civilization is built up around it 2369 01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:32,239 okay well there is rationale for it um 2370 01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,110 i had an extremely important message 2371 01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,480 that i needed to get to somebody 2372 01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,400 but i had to pass it through a child who 2373 01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:45,840 really didn't understand any of the 2374 01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,080 terms or the concepts that i was trying 2375 01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,239 to explain 2376 01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:52,159 now imagine that 2377 01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,440 a piece 2378 01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:55,040 of the message i had to send was 2379 01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,480 something that the person who was going 2380 01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:58,719 to receive the message might not also 2381 01:24:02,790 --> 01:23:59,600 get 2382 01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:02,800 it might be over their heads 2383 01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,679 okay 2384 01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,800 so 2385 01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,159 i was saying that when i looked at the 2386 01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,000 dogan structure of matter i could see 2387 01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:10,159 that the pieces that i understood the 2388 01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,840 atom and the protons electrons and 2389 01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,239 neutrons were correct 2390 01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,639 that was enough for me to establish 2391 01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,960 credibility for the possibility that the 2392 01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:21,040 rest of it might be right 2393 01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,239 even though i didn't know what the rest 2394 01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,800 of it was supposed to be yet 2395 01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:26,239 well 2396 01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:27,600 that 2397 01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,280 long series of stages and shapes and 2398 01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,639 concepts 2399 01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,400 it's enough 2400 01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,880 to establish 2401 01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,639 it's enough to go beyond coincidence it 2402 01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,480 can't be coincidental that somebody knew 2403 01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,840 that if they knew that they were 2404 01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:45,920 speaking and it's not being presented as 2405 01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:49,440 theory it's being presented as fact 2406 01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,239 as 2407 01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,040 knowledge is this like in a dogan clay 2408 01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,760 tablet or is it in their stories or the 2409 01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:57,280 dogan actually don't have written 2410 01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,800 language now okay there's another 2411 01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,199 another obstacle to be overcome here 2412 01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,000 from our perspective looking at this 2413 01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,239 writing is an improvement over symbolism 2414 01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,880 as a way of communicating things 2415 01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,360 in the archaic mindset 2416 01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,400 writing is absolutely a last resort 2417 01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,560 as a matter of fact the cultures that 2418 01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,320 did the best job of preserving this 2419 01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,560 tradition in my experience are the ones 2420 01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:23,760 who never developed a system of writing 2421 01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:28,159 that symbolism is actually 2422 01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:29,440 when it's handled right when it's 2423 01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:32,239 understood right when it's in the uh 2424 01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:33,520 being 2425 01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,199 exercised by somebody who has the right 2426 01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,960 skills is a far 2427 01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,480 stronger way of representing and 2428 01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,000 maintaining information than written 2429 01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,920 language is there's something about 2430 01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:43,920 writing something down that absolves the 2431 01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,639 person from having to understand it 2432 01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,120 it's like sitting in class if the 2433 01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:51,120 teachers the professor is giving a 2434 01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,320 lecture on something that you don't 2435 01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,239 completely grasp you'll write down the 2436 01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,760 notes that are going to remind you what 2437 01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,520 to go look up after the classes over to 2438 01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,679 try to sort it out 2439 01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,120 that's sort of the effect that written 2440 01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,159 language has from my perspective that 2441 01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,880 the initiates who who had to resort to 2442 01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,639 writing it down were the ones who didn't 2443 01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,159 keep it straight 2444 01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,320 and that would be very similar to how 2445 01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,880 uh apparently either writing on 2446 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,800 electrical like electronic form so if 2447 01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,960 i'm typing something on my computer 2448 01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:20,560 because i'm 2449 01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:22,000 i could be looking at the words on a 2450 01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:23,280 screen 2451 01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,560 physical object it's it's a just uh like 2452 01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,719 a bunch of photons creating an image on 2453 01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,880 a flat surface but because i'm not 2454 01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,560 actually creating the words with a pen 2455 01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,480 on a piece of paper i'm just simply 2456 01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:36,800 typing out you know pressing buttons 2457 01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,960 based on um 2458 01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,960 based on habit 2459 01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,560 you don't they've they've shown that 2460 01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,719 that you learn differently 2461 01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:46,960 okay so like that that's okay now now so 2462 01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,920 back to our rationale here so someone 2463 01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,840 describes the structure of matter okay 2464 01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:53,520 for the first thing that tells you 2465 01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,800 they're describing the structure of 2466 01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:56,560 matter to a group of people who have no 2467 01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,920 use for it 2468 01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,440 and they've impressed on this group of 2469 01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:01,840 people how very important it is that 2470 01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,880 they keep this structure straight 2471 01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,000 okay 2472 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:08,880 so the first thing it tells you is 2473 01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,960 that whoever was giving the information 2474 01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,480 had to have been very capable to 2475 01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:14,400 understand that stuff as a matter of 2476 01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,360 fact the whole question of of aliens is 2477 01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,600 a moot question because 2478 01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,440 whoever presented the structure of 2479 01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:23,679 matter easily knew as much as we do and 2480 01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,040 we're on the verge of being able to go 2481 01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:27,840 off planet ourselves right now so 2482 01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,880 even if it was a high culture of our own 2483 01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:32,880 from a long time ago that did this 2484 01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,520 we can say that they were on at least on 2485 01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:37,040 the verge of being space capable 2486 01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,800 themselves so the question of whether it 2487 01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,360 was an alien or not is is ridiculous if 2488 01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:42,719 we can go to another planet somebody 2489 01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:45,679 else can come here it's a boot question 2490 01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,639 so 2491 01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,440 having laid out the structure of matter 2492 01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,159 what that does for so we can tell that 2493 01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,719 that that information was aimed at an 2494 01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:56,320 audience that was a future 2495 01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,280 technologically capable audience 2496 01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,040 that it was intended that it was going 2497 01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,760 to come to somebody like us because a 2498 01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:06,080 lot of the symbols there's a lot of the 2499 01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,440 symbols are such that you would not 2500 01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,800 recognize them if you didn't have the 2501 01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,800 technology there's a class of buddhist 2502 01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,600 symbols called adequate symbols that 2503 01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:15,360 can't lose inherently can't lose their 2504 01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,239 meaning 2505 01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,400 they rest on things like the shape of an 2506 01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:19,920 electron orbit 2507 01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,159 where anybody who sees the shape is who 2508 01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,840 is technologically knowledgeable is 2509 01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,199 going to understand what that is and 2510 01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:27,679 what it represents it's inherently the 2511 01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,830 so 2512 01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:33,440 we know that it's intended for a future 2513 01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:34,800 audience but 2514 01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,880 uh that future audience 2515 01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,880 might well not be as technologically 2516 01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:40,800 capable as the people who put the system 2517 01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:43,040 together in the first place so they like 2518 01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,719 me they may get the references to the 2519 01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:47,120 atoms electrons but not get the rest of 2520 01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:48,159 it 2521 01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,400 down to waves and that's as far as i 2522 01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:53,840 knew how to interpret there's nothing 2523 01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:56,800 beyond that that i could interpret 2524 01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:57,920 now 2525 01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,880 the inherent difficulty there is 2526 01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,840 how 2527 01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,440 do you convince the person that what 2528 01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:05,120 you're telling them about this 2529 01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,760 fundamental set of processes that they 2530 01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,840 have no way of verifying how you 2531 01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,280 convince them that they're telling you 2532 01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,639 the truth 2533 01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:14,400 the way you convince them is you 2534 01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,639 establish credibility first and you 2535 01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:18,719 establish that credibility by correctly 2536 01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:23,199 reciting the alphabet of matter first 2537 01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:25,040 we recite it from a to z as far as 2538 01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:26,480 they're concerned now we're going to 2539 01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:27,600 tell you about the letters that come 2540 01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:31,990 anybody who understands they correctly 2541 01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,719 recited a to z is going to 2542 01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:36,239 automatically be oriented in a way to 2543 01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:37,679 give the benefit of the doubt to the 2544 01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:44,470 and so that's 2545 01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:46,000 one of the motivations that's a problem 2546 01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,400 one of the key motivations of having 2547 01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:49,840 laid out this system and the way that 2548 01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,760 was laid out for a culture that had no 2549 01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,199 use for it to carry forward in the 2550 01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,360 future it was needed to establish 2551 01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,280 credibility for the real message which 2552 01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:59,120 is the stuff that goes beyond what we 2553 01:30:01,669 --> 01:30:00,400 can verify 2554 01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,679 and a lot of that was based off of 2555 01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,840 potentially what we could be 2556 01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:05,360 dealing with as far as as far as a 2557 01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:08,480 civilization or planet you know in in 2558 01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:09,440 you know in the coming years or 2559 01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:12,800 centuries so it's it's like if this 2560 01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:15,280 uh impaired paired universe repaired 2561 01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,480 existence 2562 01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,480 is not necessarily physical 2563 01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,920 maybe it's possible that they don't 2564 01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,440 necessarily perceive time the same way 2565 01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:23,280 that they do or that we do 2566 01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:24,800 uh maybe time isn't necessarily a 2567 01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,560 concept so they're they're kind of like 2568 01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,639 playing the long game as it were 2569 01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,199 that's true and time is absolutely 2570 01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,440 enters into this um if you understand 2571 01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,199 that einstein says 2572 01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:37,199 that as the thing becomes more massive 2573 01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,000 time frame slows 2574 01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:42,239 now follow that continuum downward and 2575 01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:44,239 you realize that something like a 2576 01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:47,520 virtually massless wave has got to exist 2577 01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:49,840 in an ultra fast time frame compared to 2578 01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,510 now that makes sense when you think that 2579 01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:57,600 when we perceive a wave instantaneously 2580 01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,360 it's trans 2581 01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,880 we see the particle up here in front of 2582 01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:02,800 us it's sort of like you know the 2583 01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:03,600 the 2584 01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,480 magneto 2585 01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,639 as he walks across them matter is being 2586 01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,560 continuously created faster than we can 2587 01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:14,719 perceive it being created it's like 2588 01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,320 if you have slow response time on your 2589 01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:18,480 computer you might see an image form in 2590 01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:20,239 three say three or four segments instead 2591 01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:22,000 of just all at once 2592 01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:23,600 well matter is forming all at once and 2593 01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,679 the way it's able to do that is because 2594 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:27,600 it's happening at an ultra fast time 2595 01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:29,920 frame compared to us and once you 2596 01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,000 understand that all of the quantum 2597 01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,080 weirdness goes away 2598 01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:36,239 because an act of perception is 2599 01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:37,600 essentially just 2600 01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,280 imparting 2601 01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,800 what it's actually doing is it's 2602 01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,320 accelerating the wave and when it 2603 01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,639 accelerates the wave it's imparting mass 2604 01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:46,960 to the wave and that sets off a chain 2605 01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,040 reaction that imparts more and more and 2606 01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:51,360 more and more mass to the wave as it's 2607 01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:53,040 becoming more massive it's slowing it 2608 01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:55,440 down so that it now falls in the range 2609 01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:56,960 of our perception 2610 01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:59,679 all and the original event is happening 2611 01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:00,960 so quickly 2612 01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:02,800 that we don't have a tool refined enough 2613 01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:04,080 to measure it it's like trying to 2614 01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,639 measure centimeters with the yardstick 2615 01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,080 and because we don't have a tool that's 2616 01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:10,159 refined enough all the results look 2617 01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:16,950 so it's it's like the uh the equivalent 2618 01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:19,440 of uh because we can't measure it uh the 2619 01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:21,280 cat's dead as well as alive at the exact 2620 01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:22,960 same time 2621 01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,080 yes 2622 01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,400 that analogy i don't you know i i have 2623 01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,560 some issues with it it's i don't really 2624 01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:30,000 buy the analogy in the first place that 2625 01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,679 the cat is both alive or dead from our 2626 01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:33,199 perspective it might be alive or it 2627 01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:35,199 might be dead 2628 01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:35,920 but 2629 01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:38,800 both i think 2630 01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:44,470 so i'm more on the side of einstein's 2631 01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:47,600 initial reaction was it can't be random 2632 01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:49,600 and the reason it can't be random is 2633 01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:51,920 because we're looking at a process that 2634 01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:54,239 is a continuum there's no point along 2635 01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:56,639 that continuum where there's opportunity 2636 01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:59,760 to introduce randomness to it 2637 01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,040 it's like everything kind of has a plan 2638 01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:03,199 or it's set out in motion uh towards a 2639 01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:04,880 certain end or a certain formula and 2640 01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:06,800 we're just kind of riding the wave to 2641 01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,199 you know to that formula's resolution no 2642 01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:11,120 there may be more than one possibility 2643 01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:12,080 involved it's like one of the 2644 01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:13,440 comparisons i make is if you were 2645 01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:15,040 standing at the top of the empire state 2646 01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,960 building filming the traffic below 2647 01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:18,639 you're going by 2648 01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,600 um 2649 01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:21,760 and after you got the video back to your 2650 01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:24,400 computer you sped sped it up it would 2651 01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,920 reach a point where it no longer looked 2652 01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,600 like individual cars it would look like 2653 01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:29,120 waves of light it would look like beams 2654 01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,800 of light take those nice landscape 2655 01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:32,960 photos of of like los angeles uh on the 2656 01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:34,000 freeway 2657 01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,440 right that's right at night with the 2658 01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:37,760 lights on the on the freeway so it looks 2659 01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:40,080 like waves to us but what we're seeing 2660 01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:42,320 is a difference in time frame this is 2661 01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:45,280 also why it looks like the rate at which 2662 01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,880 the universe has been expanding has been 2663 01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:49,199 increasing 2664 01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:50,560 that's not what's happening what's 2665 01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,280 happening is our universe has been 2666 01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:55,440 becoming more massive and as our 2667 01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,760 universe becomes more massive 2668 01:34:01,430 --> 01:33:59,520 time frame changes and we're looking at 2669 01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,440 things that didn't happen at the same 2670 01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,520 time scale that we're used to and we're 2671 01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:05,440 misinterpreting them 2672 01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:07,199 and that's going to send because even 2673 01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,800 when it comes to dark energy and dark 2674 01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:10,560 matter how that's sourced from 2675 01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,760 everything they have is just based a 2676 01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:13,520 theory on that so there's still 2677 01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,679 uh you know there's still some 2678 01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,440 studies that say like no the dark 2679 01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,440 battery is creating dark energy and exp 2680 01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:21,440 further expansion of the universe but at 2681 01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:23,040 the same time they've got people saying 2682 01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,880 no no this isn't the case it's not 2683 01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:26,639 expanding it's just uh you know kind of 2684 01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:27,920 a 2685 01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,960 um 2686 01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:33,040 now if we're dealing with you know 2687 01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,280 cosmologically very small time scales 2688 01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:37,360 from from let's say go back to the tepia 2689 01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:38,639 twelve thousand years ago compared to 2690 01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,600 now 2691 01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:41,040 and uh 2692 01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:42,400 the uh 2693 01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:43,360 you know 2694 01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:45,679 the the start of this entire process and 2695 01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:49,360 taking into account the possibility that 2696 01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:50,960 the the teachers whomever whether 2697 01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:53,520 they're beings or not or or where the 2698 01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:55,600 source of information is coming from if 2699 01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,600 they can see you know the forest for the 2700 01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:59,520 trees as it were and we can only kind of 2701 01:35:01,990 --> 01:35:00,880 see a pine cone that's kind of sitting 2702 01:35:03,110 --> 01:35:02,000 on the ground 2703 01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,120 um 2704 01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:05,360 i i i kind of think to what could you 2705 01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:07,199 know what this what could the reason be 2706 01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:09,520 and i i heard harken back to 2707 01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:11,920 work by randall carlson and a lot of the 2708 01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:12,800 um 2709 01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:15,760 his study into the the symbology of 2710 01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:16,639 uh 2711 01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,080 you know anything 2712 01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,239 pre-diluvian with regards to 2713 01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,560 a cycle of catastrophes 2714 01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:24,480 uh such as let's say when it comes to 2715 01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,400 earth meteor impact 2716 01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,880 um and that would lead into let's say 2717 01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,239 the the uh 2718 01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,239 you know the younger driest impact uh 2719 01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:34,159 event which 2720 01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,080 you know brought us from us going out of 2721 01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:37,920 the ice age to going into another ice 2722 01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,800 age 2723 01:35:45,110 --> 01:35:40,800 for 1200 years 2724 01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,120 and having all of this symbolism that is 2725 01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:46,960 uh encoded into 2726 01:35:51,110 --> 01:35:49,440 the you know mystery schools like in uh 2727 01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:51,120 like freemasonry a lot of what we deal 2728 01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:54,960 with even though it deals with um 2729 01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:56,480 a lot of mathematic 2730 01:36:01,510 --> 01:35:59,520 mathematical and geometric terms a lot 2731 01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:01,520 of it is to preserve anti-delivery 2732 01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:04,159 knowledge uh because there was a meteor 2733 01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:06,560 impact and a lot of the symbolism is to 2734 01:36:09,110 --> 01:36:07,600 to show 2735 01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:09,120 that this meteor impact actually 2736 01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,280 happened and to forewarn us that the 2737 01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,920 meteor pack might be coming potentially 2738 01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:14,719 that 2739 01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,360 from my perspective 2740 01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,440 even though it's a reasonable rationale 2741 01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:21,840 for why this might be happening 2742 01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,679 from my perspective there's a far more 2743 01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,920 compelling rationale for why 2744 01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:27,760 the esoteric tradition happened the way 2745 01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:30,000 that it did and the timing of when it 2746 01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:31,040 happened 2747 01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,679 the eras of it over a period of time and 2748 01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,520 what it boils down to 2749 01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,440 the essence of it is 2750 01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:39,199 is that there is a 2751 01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,560 a vital 2752 01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:42,719 mutual interest that we share with the 2753 01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:47,189 and 2754 01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,119 something vital to the non-material 2755 01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:51,840 universe depends on us doing certain 2756 01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:54,400 things at a certain time 2757 01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,840 but 2758 01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,159 it's not just us doing things for them 2759 01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:00,719 it's a mutual imperative it's a mutual 2760 01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,750 um that that's really as far as i can go 2761 01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,360 is that when you get down to the bottom 2762 01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:12,000 of it there's an absolutely compelling 2763 01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,800 heart-wrenching reason 2764 01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:16,080 why 2765 01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,320 this had to happen the way that it did 2766 01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,800 and why structures of our society were 2767 01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:22,400 trying to be set up in the way that they 2768 01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:26,790 and it doesn't have to do with warning 2769 01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,360 about a forthcoming disaster it really 2770 01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:31,119 not really and it doesn't have to do 2771 01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:33,760 with um 2772 01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:35,199 educating us trying to preserve the 2773 01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,239 knowledge that something happened 2774 01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,159 happened in the past so much 2775 01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,760 it's 2776 01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:41,280 again in 2777 01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:42,880 in the archaic traditions the way they 2778 01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,639 express it there are two goals one goal 2779 01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,760 is 2780 01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,679 to help humanity 2781 01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,080 understand its true relationship to the 2782 01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,480 larger processes of creation 2783 01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:56,080 because 2784 01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,679 if we were to understand what our true 2785 01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,920 relationship was to those processes the 2786 01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:01,679 choices that we would make 2787 01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:04,560 regarding it would be different 2788 01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:06,800 the second purpose is 2789 01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:08,560 to help us 2790 01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,119 develop what is described as 2791 01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,280 discriminating knowledge 2792 01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:15,280 in other words to have enough of an 2793 01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:16,719 overview enough of 2794 01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:20,000 a sense of what has to be true 2795 01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:21,520 to be able to make discriminating 2796 01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:29,510 and those are the two flatly stated 2797 01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:31,199 purposes of 2798 01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:32,719 of this whole thing 2799 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,629 it's really an interesting system uh 2800 01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,390 jung was trying to find out you know was 2801 01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,480 exploring how it how is it that 2802 01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:46,000 all the different cultures had seemed to 2803 01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,360 have the same symbols and the same 2804 01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,600 mythic themes and um so much overlap 2805 01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:51,600 from culture to culture cultures that 2806 01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:53,440 were far distant from each other and as 2807 01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,880 far as we know didn't have any contact 2808 01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:56,080 with each other how come they all have 2809 01:39:02,950 --> 01:38:59,199 the same references 2810 01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,960 narrower roots of population 2811 01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,719 going backwards in the past 2812 01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,400 maybe uh there were attempts a lot of 2813 01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,760 different academic attempts were made 2814 01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,239 during the 1800s to pick 2815 01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:12,480 one culture as a source culture 2816 01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,239 and try to trace forward from it to all 2817 01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,360 the other ones 2818 01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,360 and every one of those attempts ended up 2819 01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,880 failing because of some contradiction 2820 01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,280 that they bumped up against as you go 2821 01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:22,639 further and further back in time there's 2822 01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:26,159 less to plagiarize off of other cultures 2823 01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,239 so from my perspective 2824 01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:30,400 a different thing is going on here it i 2825 01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,239 compare it to if you and i had the same 2826 01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:34,239 math teacher at different eras of the 2827 01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,639 math teacher's career and we meet at a 2828 01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:38,960 cocktail party and 2829 01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,840 um 2830 01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:41,520 realize that we have all the same 2831 01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,960 references we know all the same little 2832 01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,639 tricks for figuring out a formula all 2833 01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:46,400 the same little 2834 01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:49,199 story problems and you know all the same 2835 01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,960 perspectives on things 2836 01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:53,119 not because you or i ever knew each 2837 01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:54,400 other but because we had the same 2838 01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:56,080 teacher 2839 01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,760 well that's essentially what i see going 2840 01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,840 on with these cultures is the reason 2841 01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,440 they all have the same stuff is because 2842 01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:03,280 they were all influenced by the same 2843 01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,800 teacher 2844 01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,960 now some people will say well this is 2845 01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:09,360 just parallel development that any two 2846 01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:11,600 cultures that build structures out of 2847 01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:13,199 stone it's only a matter of time before 2848 01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:14,480 they think to stack them up like a 2849 01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:15,679 pyramid 2850 01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,440 and i say that's true 2851 01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:19,040 it is a matter of time before they do 2852 01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,840 that 2853 01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,600 but there's all sorts of complicated 2854 01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:23,360 symbolism that goes with that form that 2855 01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:24,960 both cultures have and that wouldn't 2856 01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,239 automatically accrue from the choice to 2857 01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,040 stack the stones up 2858 01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,360 and so it's it's finding 2859 01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,679 these considerations that 2860 01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,280 point to what has to be true in 2861 01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,639 situations where we're not it's not 2862 01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,320 clear what's true that's 2863 01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:42,639 sort of what the focus of 2864 01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,520 my books was on and so essentially the 2865 01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:48,000 idea is that it's 2866 01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,679 you know it could be a possibility that 2867 01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,320 a lot of the symbolism is uh inherited 2868 01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:54,080 or taught or kind of passed down along 2869 01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,400 the ages but at the same time it's like 2870 01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,400 okay go back to like for instance 2871 01:41:03,109 --> 01:40:59,840 gobekli tepe 2872 01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:03,119 happened after uh let's say 2873 01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,320 you know actually i think it actually 2874 01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:06,639 happened go back and take it excuse me 2875 01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,520 go back to the tepe came about before 2876 01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:11,600 the younger driest impact 2877 01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,709 so i place it 2878 01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:20,400 after the 2879 01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,080 it well it was it being around that time 2880 01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:28,880 and i know that gobekli tepe was um uh 2881 01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,679 was intentionally buried so at some 2882 01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,360 point in time 2883 01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,199 something kind of happened to stop 2884 01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,880 whatever work was being done there or 2885 01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:38,400 teaching was done or maybe it was just 2886 01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:39,280 done 2887 01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,600 and then between then and at another 2888 01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,840 point in time let's say the message was 2889 01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,600 kind of lost so they came back and said 2890 01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,280 okay well you know we gotta kind of 2891 01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,480 reteach 2892 01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:50,320 things along and and kind of uh get a 2893 01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,840 refresher course it's like if you're a 2894 01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,480 programmer and you haven't you know if 2895 01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,760 you're used to dealing with cobol and 2896 01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,280 all of a sudden you transition into c 2897 01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:59,679 plus plus and you're doing that for you 2898 01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,520 know 10 15 years and all of a sudden 2899 01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:04,000 you're throwing a a pro a cobalt project 2900 01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,440 you're gonna have to go back to that you 2901 01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,199 know to your reference material and and 2902 01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,600 relearn all the syntax and and uh and 2903 01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,880 operations 2904 01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,320 so so 2905 01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,040 that is that a good way of interpreting 2906 01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,040 a potential of what happened 2907 01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,080 it is um uh that 2908 01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,560 okay in the old testament when the 2909 01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,480 jealous god says thou shalt have no 2910 01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:26,880 other gods before me 2911 01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:28,880 the hebrew scholars 2912 01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,520 interpret that to say 2913 01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:33,040 the statement implies there were other 2914 01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:37,270 well 2915 01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,679 in a similar way when the egyptians talk 2916 01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:41,280 about the first time 2917 01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,880 they're famous first time capital f 2918 01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:44,320 capital t 2919 01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:45,119 and 2920 01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:46,719 the buddhists talk about the first time 2921 01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,320 that knowledge was imparted to humanity 2922 01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,560 from buddha 2923 01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,560 the use of that phrase first time 2924 01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:54,000 implies that there was more than one 2925 01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:56,239 time 2926 01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,920 now from my perspective 2927 01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:01,600 if you um 2928 01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,480 if you 2929 01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,639 entertain robert beauvole's idea that 2930 01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:06,560 the three large pyramids of giza 2931 01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,679 represent the belt stars of orion at 10 2932 01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,679 000 bc 2933 01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:13,920 and the idea that the 2934 01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:15,760 sphinx pointed to the constellation of 2935 01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:19,199 leo in that same era of 10000 bc 2936 01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,400 then from the perspective of a 2937 01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:22,000 researcher like me there are only two 2938 01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:23,520 possibilities 2939 01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,840 either the alignments were placed there 2940 01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:28,159 at 10 000 bc 2941 01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,280 or else 2942 01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:31,040 some later culture 2943 01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,400 somehow had the ability to 2944 01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,159 retrospectively calculate what the 2945 01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,800 alignment should have been 2946 01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,960 i find the second possibility not very 2947 01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:40,080 credible 2948 01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:43,600 and so that says to me we had 10 000 era 2949 01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:47,119 10 000 bc era influences on egypt 2950 01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:50,239 that probably relate to go back to tempe 2951 01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:51,760 i traced those forward through a group 2952 01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:54,000 called the shakti cult this is an 2953 01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,360 archaic 2954 01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,199 matriarchal cult 2955 01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,000 that originated to the north and west of 2956 01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:02,239 india which in the general direction of 2957 01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,679 of the fertile crescent and gobekli tepe 2958 01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,199 that goes so far back they can't even 2959 01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,199 trace how far back it goes but all of 2960 01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,199 the symbolic elements that the shakti 2961 01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,760 cult preserves are the same ones that we 2962 01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,840 see at gobekli tepe 2963 01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:17,760 one of the really telling ones 2964 01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:20,560 comes out of a common translation of the 2965 01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:22,639 words go back to tepe with a lot of 2966 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,000 people when they ask what does go back 2967 01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:26,800 to tepe mean they say well it means pot 2968 01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:29,040 belly hill 2969 01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,880 and they don't go farther than that for 2970 01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,800 the shakti cult 2971 01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,600 one of their iconic objects was a clay 2972 01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,600 pot filled with water to represent a 2973 01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,159 womb that was called a pot belly 2974 01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:42,400 and so we have that kind of linkage back 2975 01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,719 to go back to tepe where each of the 2976 01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,080 iconic 2977 01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:49,440 practices and aspects of the shakti cult 2978 01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:52,000 we see playing out at quebec tepe it 2979 01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:53,920 looks like they tied together and this 2980 01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,400 is very similar to the to the uh mother 2981 01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,560 goddess or corpulent goddess uh imagery 2982 01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:01,520 which has been found all over europe and 2983 01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,400 asia and africa which can date back you 2984 01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:06,719 know 10 20 000 years 2985 01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,880 and that's that's the same concept of 2986 01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:10,800 the sleeping goddess it's the basically 2987 01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:18,149 this is a system that goes goes back 2988 01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:21,040 quite a ways um if you 2989 01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:22,400 think about the 2990 01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:23,520 if you know anything about the yuga 2991 01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:26,400 cycle in in buddhism i do 2992 01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:28,000 the concept that 2993 01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:29,440 humanity goes through a cycle of 2994 01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,800 perception 2995 01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:32,560 where during certain periods of time 2996 01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,159 we're more able to perceive things that 2997 01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:36,960 are non-material or spiritual and that 2998 01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:39,280 other periods were less able we've just 2999 01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:41,920 passed the period where we're least able 3000 01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,600 to perceive things that are non-material 3001 01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:45,679 according to the yugo cycle and uh if 3002 01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:47,360 i'm not mistaken that would be the uh 3003 01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:48,639 the cauli phase 3004 01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,080 yeah that we're just we're really coming 3005 01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:52,159 out of the kali phase and into 3006 01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:55,360 uh the drapara phase 3007 01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,960 um 3008 01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:58,080 now there's one other piece of this i 3009 01:46:02,550 --> 01:45:59,760 wanted to talk about about how we can 3010 01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:02,560 confirm meaning between these cultures 3011 01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,000 um 3012 01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,159 it's understood that the cosmology 3013 01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,320 preceded written language that's an 3014 01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:10,560 accepted that's accepted by traditional 3015 01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:12,239 researchers 3016 01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,600 now 3017 01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:16,239 i could tell looking at a lot of the 3018 01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,679 dogan priests say that they are 3019 01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:19,920 incapable of discussing a concept 3020 01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:22,480 without drawing it at the same time 3021 01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:23,440 i 3022 01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,560 there are a set of maybe 30 dogan 3023 01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:39,280 cosmological drawings that take the same 3024 01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,760 shape and have the same meanings as 3025 01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,560 certain egyptian glyphs 3026 01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:46,560 and so i started exploring not knowing 3027 01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,760 anything about egyptian hieroglyphic 3028 01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,600 language i started exploring words that 3029 01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:51,840 used those glyphs to see if i could find 3030 01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,840 relationships and i did find 3031 01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,760 relationships 3032 01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:57,760 the easiest example 3033 01:47:04,950 --> 01:46:59,600 comes out of an egyptian word that means 3034 01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:06,790 it's a very straightforward egyptian 3035 01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:08,719 word it's only written with two glyphs 3036 01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,320 it's a circle with a dot in the middle 3037 01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:12,159 of it which is the sun glyph 3038 01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:14,000 and one of the the symbolic meanings of 3039 01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,520 that is it represents the concept of a 3040 01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:16,960 day 3041 01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,760 the other glyph is an upside down u that 3042 01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,600 is the egyptian number ten 3043 01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:23,440 and so i looked at that word for week 3044 01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,560 and i said 3045 01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:26,239 symbolically this looks to me like it 3046 01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:28,159 says 10 days 3047 01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:29,679 and i went and i did some research and 3048 01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,960 discovered something i didn't know 3049 01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:33,199 before the ancient egyptians had a 10 3050 01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:35,440 day week 3051 01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:38,400 i thought wow that's really interesting 3052 01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:40,320 the word told me its own meanings were 3053 01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:42,080 the symbols it was written with 3054 01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,400 what are the chances that any other 3055 01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,800 egyptian words do that 3056 01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:49,040 turns out they all do 3057 01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:50,880 that every egyptian word from my 3058 01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:52,159 perspective 3059 01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:54,320 creates a symbolic sentence sort of like 3060 01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:55,199 a 3061 01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:01,520 i 3062 01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,679 concepts for symbols you produce a 3063 01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,840 symbolic sentence and that sentence 3064 01:48:13,090 --> 01:48:11,840 tells you what the word means was there 3065 01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,100 any really good um 3066 01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:14,719 [Music] 3067 01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:16,719 hieroglyphic interpretation 3068 01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:19,040 sources that you found like the rosetta 3069 01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:20,719 stone of hieroglyphics or something that 3070 01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:23,360 you would recommend 3071 01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:24,159 for 3072 01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:28,400 i have 3073 01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,360 been predictably able to tie all of the 3074 01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,600 key dogen words that this cosmology 3075 01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,239 based on or most of them to egyptian 3076 01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,880 words in budget's dictionary 3077 01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,360 now as far as the modern egyptologists 3078 01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,560 are concerned budge was so 3079 01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:46,080 had such a poor understanding of the 3080 01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:47,679 language that 3081 01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,199 some of them say he couldn't even read 3082 01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,840 the egyptian hieroglyphs 3083 01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,840 i say that i know 3084 01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,320 that budge can't possibly be wrong about 3085 01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:58,320 his dictionary in a way that predictably 3086 01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:02,000 agrees with dungeon just like 3087 01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:06,239 that dogan cosmology couldn't be of 3088 01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:07,679 falsification 3089 01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:09,040 and still predictably agree with 3090 01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:12,320 buddhism it's the same concept and so 3091 01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,040 i've got a body of significant words 3092 01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:17,679 here related in a system a cosmological 3093 01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,800 system 3094 01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:20,560 that i can all tie out to budget's 3095 01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,159 dictionary it's clear to me that at 3096 01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,880 least in terms of cosmo cosmological 3097 01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,960 words buds knew exactly what he was 3098 01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:28,960 talking about 3099 01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:31,199 and so i use a dictionary that the 3100 01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,360 traditional egyptologists don't like but 3101 01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:35,280 i justify it because i have a whole new 3102 01:49:37,590 --> 01:49:36,560 body of evidence here you haven't 3103 01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,600 considered 3104 01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:38,880 you know you can't tell me the budget 3105 01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:40,000 doesn't know what he's talking about if 3106 01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:46,390 so now there's also a class of egyptian 3107 01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:47,280 word 3108 01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,320 where 3109 01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:50,560 the final glyph of the word 3110 01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,320 isn't pronounced 3111 01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:54,480 and the egyptologists say that the glyph 3112 01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:56,159 is there for emphasis usually the glyph 3113 01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:57,280 has something to do with the meaning of 3114 01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,679 the word like if the word is a word for 3115 01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:01,360 table maybe it's a picture of a table at 3116 01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,400 the end of the word that doesn't get 3117 01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,280 pronounced it's there for emphasis 3118 01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,520 i say no that's not true from my 3119 01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,040 perspective the reason that trailing 3120 01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:11,440 glyph is there is because the symbolic 3121 01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:13,040 sentence defines a meaning for that 3122 01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:14,400 glyph 3123 01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:17,840 language told us 3124 01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,360 what the symbolism of their own glyphs 3125 01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,280 was they defined it for us 3126 01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:23,440 and once i figured that out then i could 3127 01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:24,400 lay out 3128 01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:26,080 hundreds literally hundreds of egyptian 3129 01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:28,400 glyphs and what their symbolism was 3130 01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:30,480 based on what the spellings of the words 3131 01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,199 that ended in those glyphs were 3132 01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,199 it might be a hop skip and a jump but do 3133 01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:37,280 you have any correlation between like 3134 01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,600 ancient sumeria or 3135 01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,520 um like uniform 3136 01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:43,440 writing styles or 3137 01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:45,199 anything like that that relates to dogan 3138 01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,480 culture 3139 01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:49,280 uh not the okay in sumerian language 3140 01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:50,560 their their language is originally 3141 01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:53,520 symbolic also before cuneiform but the 3142 01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:55,360 positive link is really to chinese 3143 01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,600 hieroglyphs now the chinese hieroglyphs 3144 01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:59,360 are read the way that i'd read egyptian 3145 01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:00,320 glyphs 3146 01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:02,719 but the change in chinese had a word for 3147 01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,679 week 3148 01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:06,480 two glyphs 3149 01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,320 their sun lift which was which was 3150 01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:10,400 originally a circle with a dot and their 3151 01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:11,520 number 10 3152 01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:14,239 and they had a 10 day week 3153 01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:15,119 so 3154 01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:17,600 comparing a single word the way it's 3155 01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:19,280 formulated symbolically and the way it 3156 01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:21,760 conveys its meaning symbolically i can 3157 01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:25,360 positively correlate positively assert 3158 01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,639 that the egyptian and the ancient 3159 01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:29,360 chinese hieroglyphic languages came out 3160 01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:30,800 of the same mindset 3161 01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:31,920 that was actually something i've been 3162 01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:33,440 considering or at least thinking about 3163 01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:35,119 for some for some time 3164 01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,880 even today i'm like do i get to ask that 3165 01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:38,719 question and you kind of just 3166 01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:41,520 you just you just laid it out for me um 3167 01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:43,360 with the 3168 01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,360 creation or at least the the 3169 01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:47,599 the kanji style of writing and i believe 3170 01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:50,320 that's the clever calligraph style of 3171 01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:52,000 writing that you're referring to 3172 01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,960 um 3173 01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:55,040 if you have a difference in the way that 3174 01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:56,960 they're shaped in chinese 3175 01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,360 a lot of the times or sometimes versus 3176 01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:01,920 you know egyptian hieroglyphs um are you 3177 01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,159 talking the basic symbols are both are 3178 01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,679 you know are very similar if not the 3179 01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,000 same with a few differences if you look 3180 01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,000 at it differently or 3181 01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:12,239 has it been a 3182 01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:14,080 you know or is it using different 3183 01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,760 slashes and forms to essentially convey 3184 01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:19,520 the same message but just using 3185 01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:20,800 different angles 3186 01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:22,960 there's a base set of glyphs that are 3187 01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,040 formulated the same way 3188 01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,520 and actually 3189 01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,520 i didn't understand why certain egyptian 3190 01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:31,199 glyphs were formulated the way they were 3191 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:32,880 configured the way they were until i 3192 01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,920 studied the chinese cosmology and the 3193 01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:38,000 china provided me with the rationale 3194 01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,080 that had been lost in egypt for why that 3195 01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:42,320 glyph took that shape 3196 01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,080 so there's a lot of back and forth that 3197 01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:46,239 happens but 3198 01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:49,119 the key principle here is i had talked 3199 01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:51,440 about multiple meanings of words 3200 01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:54,560 um that's not really the precise case 3201 01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,719 it's not that 3202 01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:59,040 half a dozen different meanings go along 3203 01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:00,480 with a particular 3204 01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,480 phonetic value for the dogen 3205 01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:04,719 it's that half of the half a dozen 3206 01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:06,960 different concepts are grouped together 3207 01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,360 they're sort of um a cluster of meanings 3208 01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,080 that belong together cosmologically 3209 01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,480 um there's an aesthetic layer and like a 3210 01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:16,800 memetic layer to those symbols yeah they 3211 01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:18,080 relate to each other outside of the 3212 01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:19,679 context of a glyph and outside of the 3213 01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:23,119 context of a phonetic value these 3214 01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:25,840 these meanings belong together now in 3215 01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:27,520 ancient china 3216 01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:31,520 you find myths of about certain um 3217 01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,480 emperors who are quasi-historical 3218 01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,719 and the myths tell us 3219 01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,320 what the name of the emperor was and 3220 01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:40,800 where he was born and certain key things 3221 01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:42,639 he's remembered for doing and why he was 3222 01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:44,880 honored or dishonored or whatever 3223 01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:46,880 certain key facts about in the story 3224 01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:49,040 line of this emperor 3225 01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:51,199 well when you look at those the the key 3226 01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:53,440 words that define those attributes in 3227 01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,440 the egyptian hieroglyphic dictionary 3228 01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:57,280 they're all homonyms of 3229 01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,599 of a cosmological term in other words it 3230 01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,280 looks to me as if 3231 01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:03,599 this story was written 3232 01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:05,199 to encode 3233 01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,560 those meanings 3234 01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:08,400 it's as if 3235 01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:10,880 life wasn't as stable in china as it had 3236 01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,800 been in egypt and so 3237 01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,560 rather than trying to pass this forward 3238 01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,480 as an esoteric tradition from priests to 3239 01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:18,000 initiate 3240 01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:19,520 they had to try to pass it forward 3241 01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,639 disguised in the form of a story 3242 01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:24,080 that would be something very similar to 3243 01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:27,199 how the the troubadours in in europe 3244 01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:28,880 essentially passed along certain 3245 01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,800 cosmological um 3246 01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:33,040 you know symbolism or stories based 3247 01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:34,800 around let's say like the holy grail 3248 01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:36,320 methods 3249 01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:37,679 now i've got another problem with that 3250 01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,760 perspective that is much thornier 3251 01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:43,840 after i wrote the first book 3252 01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:45,840 i was invited to a meeting in new york 3253 01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,840 city with someone who said they were a 3254 01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:49,920 friend of john anthony west he wanted to 3255 01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,440 meet me at a cafe 3256 01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:53,520 and so i agreed to meet him 3257 01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:54,639 and 3258 01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,159 at the last minute he asked if he could 3259 01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,639 bring a friend along and i said sure 3260 01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,400 turns out the meeting wasn't with him it 3261 01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:02,560 was with his quote-unquote friend and 3262 01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,920 she wasn't his friend she was his 3263 01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:07,760 spiritual 3264 01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:12,629 now 3265 01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:15,119 the entire meeting consisted of her 3266 01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:17,760 asking me questions about my own history 3267 01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,080 and my own life 3268 01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:22,080 like she would say the first question 3269 01:55:26,149 --> 01:55:23,199 was 3270 01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,159 describe your marriage to me 3271 01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:28,320 i said well i've always seen 3272 01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:30,480 my wives in my marriage as the large 3273 01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:33,840 overlap of two circles 3274 01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:36,080 and she said 3275 01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:38,080 that's a shape that that's a shape 3276 01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,440 called the vesicle pisces do you 3277 01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:41,679 understand that that shape is important 3278 01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:45,199 it's a central symbol in the traditions 3279 01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:46,639 you study 3280 01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:48,880 i said yes i understood that 3281 01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,679 well 3282 01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,920 this whole hour-and-a-half meeting was a 3283 01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,440 series of these questions where she 3284 01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,040 would ask a question 3285 01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,199 i would give an answer and then she 3286 01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,040 would explain to me how my answer 3287 01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:01,360 demonstrates that something pivotal to 3288 01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,800 the things i'm studying relates to me 3289 01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:06,800 and so 3290 01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:07,679 um 3291 01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:08,960 the 3292 01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:17,599 of symbols that i was researching 3293 01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,199 and i told her that i didn't know who 3294 01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:21,520 was responsible for it but that i knew 3295 01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:23,840 enough to understand 3296 01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,080 that what would eventually tell me who 3297 01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:30,400 and she said did you just say what will 3298 01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:32,239 tell me who and i said yes and she said 3299 01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:33,920 we're done 3300 01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:39,990 so i came back to albany 3301 01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:42,400 about a three-hour train trip up the 3302 01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:44,239 river from new york city 3303 01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:46,639 and found an email waiting for me from a 3304 01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:47,920 person i'd never met who was an 3305 01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:49,840 acquaintance by by email who lived in 3306 01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:51,440 australia 3307 01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:52,560 who said 3308 01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:54,800 she also claimed to be psychic but she 3309 01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:56,480 said that 3310 01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,480 all of her psychic friends were in a 3311 01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:00,719 dither they were in a tizzy because they 3312 01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,320 knew about the meeting that happened in 3313 01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:04,480 new york and they were upset because i 3314 01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:06,320 had been granted permission to research 3315 01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:12,390 so another one of the odd things that 3316 01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:14,960 happens but as time has gone on 3317 01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:17,199 the the books that i'm playing out the 3318 01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:19,040 concepts that i'm researching keep 3319 01:57:23,669 --> 01:57:21,040 expressing themselves 3320 01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:23,679 with words that are familiar things to 3321 01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:25,599 me their names of places i lived or 3322 01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,920 names of people i knew or teachers i had 3323 01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:29,760 or nicknames of my 3324 01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:30,560 um 3325 01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:33,119 great nephew that kind of thing until 3326 01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:34,800 finally we come around to the mystery of 3327 01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:37,040 scarab ray 3328 01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:39,840 ray side in 1850 was covered over had 3329 01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:41,760 been covered over 4 000 years and a 3330 01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:43,679 series of storms hit the island and 3331 01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:45,920 uncovered a piece of it so that 3332 01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:47,440 the gentleman who owned the land that 3333 01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,480 the 3334 01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:50,159 site was on realized that it was an 3335 01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:52,719 important site it needed to be excavated 3336 01:57:58,390 --> 01:57:57,040 the guy was the laird of scale 3337 01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,400 so 3338 01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:00,800 now the scarab ray book brings me around 3339 01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:04,320 to my actual name 3340 01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:07,040 my actual first name so 3341 01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:09,199 the problem i have in terms of the the 3342 01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:11,199 myths of these emperors is 3343 01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:13,599 that if 200 years from now somebody were 3344 01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:15,360 looking back at me and the books that 3345 01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,400 i've written 3346 01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:18,320 and the key elements that make up those 3347 01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:19,360 books 3348 01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:22,639 and compared them to the key 3349 01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:24,639 events and people that had passed by in 3350 01:58:28,629 --> 01:58:26,480 my lifetime 3351 01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,639 i would look mythical to them these are 3352 01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:30,719 all words that pertain to me and the 3353 01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,880 story of my life these are not this is 3354 01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:34,719 not cosmo i mean this is not history 3355 01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,280 this is cosmology 3356 01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:39,520 you know so so above as below 3357 01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:41,840 it's like it was it was meant to be 3358 01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:42,719 uh 3359 01:58:47,270 --> 01:58:44,880 i wouldn't go so far as that but i would 3360 01:58:49,270 --> 01:58:47,280 go so far as to say that there may be a 3361 01:58:51,589 --> 01:58:49,280 fundamental inability to distinguish 3362 01:58:53,430 --> 01:58:51,599 what's historical from what's mythical 3363 01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:53,440 well that's one of the biggest issues 3364 01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:55,760 that at least some researchers of 3365 01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:57,440 ancient history will have with regards 3366 01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:00,000 to mythology and some will say okay 3367 01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:03,040 there is some mythology that is 3368 01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:04,960 uh you know like you know you have to at 3369 01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:06,639 least consider what the mythology says 3370 01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:08,320 as potential fact 3371 01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:10,400 uh or p some people say no it's just 3372 01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:12,960 metaphorical um you know a thousand 3373 01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:14,639 years from from now it's kind of hard to 3374 01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:16,320 be able to say what's going to be 3375 01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:17,440 considered 3376 01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:18,480 real or not you know there's a 3377 01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:20,639 possibility that someone's going to 3378 01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:22,320 you mean we didn't steal fire from the 3379 01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:24,639 gods well i i was i was going to think 3380 01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:25,760 more along the lines of like what 3381 01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:27,679 happens when somebody picks up a super 3382 01:59:32,070 --> 01:59:30,239 mario brothers you know game guide and 3383 01:59:34,390 --> 01:59:32,080 they they hear about the mario and the 3384 01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:34,400 luigi who saved the princess and then 3385 01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:36,560 they create this entire you know uh 3386 01:59:39,910 --> 01:59:38,880 mythology around it let's hope that or 3387 01:59:41,910 --> 01:59:39,920 they think it's an actual real 3388 01:59:43,830 --> 01:59:41,920 historical and like no back then they 3389 01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:43,840 were actually in two dimensions and very 3390 01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:45,679 short and very fat that's just the way 3391 01:59:55,030 --> 01:59:47,440 things work alex the way that i heard it 3392 01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,070 so 3393 01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:58,239 now another thing that the upcoming book 3394 02:00:02,390 --> 01:59:59,920 that talks about fundamental processes 3395 02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:02,400 of creation also provides an explanation 3396 02:00:06,070 --> 02:00:04,800 for why everything that that this 3397 02:00:07,669 --> 02:00:06,080 duality of 3398 02:00:09,030 --> 02:00:07,679 things looking both mythical and 3399 02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:09,040 historical 3400 02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:11,119 that's another one of the pieces that 3401 02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:12,560 there is 3402 02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:14,960 at least an arguable rationale for why 3403 02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:16,480 it's that way 3404 02:00:19,109 --> 02:00:17,840 and this is also making it very 3405 02:00:21,669 --> 02:00:19,119 interesting because we're getting a lot 3406 02:00:23,109 --> 02:00:21,679 of you know slight previews and and you 3407 02:00:25,030 --> 02:00:23,119 know things for our listeners to be able 3408 02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:25,040 to wet their lips over over the next two 3409 02:00:30,149 --> 02:00:28,400 years and the trick is for me to be able 3410 02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:30,159 to avoid talking about the scarab ray 3411 02:00:34,310 --> 02:00:32,159 book i broke with tradition and actually 3412 02:00:37,109 --> 02:00:34,320 talked about almost a year before the 3413 02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:37,119 book was published which is not a good 3414 02:00:40,709 --> 02:00:38,800 choice from a publishing standpoint 3415 02:00:42,070 --> 02:00:40,719 because the publisher you know wants 3416 02:00:44,229 --> 02:00:42,080 doesn't want me to talk about something 3417 02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:44,239 until until they have something that's 3418 02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:46,560 ready to go a product that's ready to go 3419 02:00:50,149 --> 02:00:48,480 but it's doing your own teasers well 3420 02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:50,159 yeah there was there was one video of 3421 02:00:54,149 --> 02:00:52,639 you from july of this year 3422 02:00:56,870 --> 02:00:54,159 that you had given a presentation based 3423 02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:56,880 on your research for for scarbray and 3424 02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:58,320 that was the 3425 02:01:01,510 --> 02:00:59,840 kind of the one thing that really got me 3426 02:01:03,589 --> 02:01:01,520 hyped for the book 3427 02:01:05,189 --> 02:01:03,599 you know because like i heard about it 3428 02:01:07,189 --> 02:01:05,199 and i was waiting for it so for that 3429 02:01:09,109 --> 02:01:07,199 like four months i was counting down 3430 02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:09,119 so you know i can understand from a 3431 02:01:12,310 --> 02:01:10,560 publisher's standpoint they want to make 3432 02:01:14,149 --> 02:01:12,320 sure things are exclusive and there's no 3433 02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:14,159 spoilers or what have you 3434 02:01:17,189 --> 02:01:16,000 but you know like that that type of 3435 02:01:18,390 --> 02:01:17,199 presentation 3436 02:01:20,070 --> 02:01:18,400 like people are going to want that type 3437 02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:20,080 of knowledge and if you have your 3438 02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:21,520 followers and they're they're going to 3439 02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:23,520 ravenously eat up anything that you 3440 02:01:27,669 --> 02:01:25,840 release because it's awesome 3441 02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:27,679 well thanks well also the argument of 3442 02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:30,480 that upcoming book is complicated enough 3443 02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:33,280 that i felt that i needed to work up 3444 02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:35,520 powerpoint slides myself just to keep 3445 02:01:39,430 --> 02:01:37,440 myself on track in terms of walking 3446 02:01:42,709 --> 02:01:39,440 somebody through how the foundation 3447 02:01:45,510 --> 02:01:42,719 plays out because it's a very s subtle 3448 02:01:47,109 --> 02:01:45,520 set of connections that have to be 3449 02:01:49,189 --> 02:01:47,119 understood in the right order to be able 3450 02:01:50,470 --> 02:01:49,199 to get to an answer that makes really 3451 02:01:51,270 --> 02:01:50,480 good sense 3452 02:01:55,750 --> 02:01:51,280 no 3453 02:01:58,390 --> 02:01:55,760 when that book comes out we actually do 3454 02:02:00,070 --> 02:01:58,400 shows with powerpoint presentations 3455 02:02:01,990 --> 02:02:00,080 so that's interesting if if that's 3456 02:02:04,229 --> 02:02:02,000 something you want to be able to to do 3457 02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:04,239 you know i'll more be more than willing 3458 02:02:08,229 --> 02:02:06,560 to help you promote the book because 3459 02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:08,239 you know this type of information has to 3460 02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:10,480 be shared and it has to get out there 3461 02:02:12,790 --> 02:02:11,440 at least 3462 02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:12,800 you know at minimum so people to at 3463 02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:14,400 least see another perspective and start 3464 02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:15,840 thinking 3465 02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:17,599 and that that's also one of my starting 3466 02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:18,960 points my 3467 02:02:22,070 --> 02:02:20,960 base principle is 3468 02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:22,080 that 3469 02:02:26,229 --> 02:02:25,360 this knowledge can't be proprietary this 3470 02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:26,239 that 3471 02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:32,800 where the the choice is being made on 3472 02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:34,560 the basis of it having to be proprietary 3473 02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,159 is the wrong choice 3474 02:02:40,070 --> 02:02:38,000 you're profound and proprietary don't go 3475 02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:40,080 well together and that's that's partly 3476 02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:41,199 why i 3477 02:02:46,310 --> 02:02:42,960 went against my own rule to talk about 3478 02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:46,320 scarab ray book ahead of time is because 3479 02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:48,639 um the only reason for not making it was 3480 02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:54,390 and with 3481 02:02:58,310 --> 02:02:56,560 the the information like how was there 3482 02:03:00,629 --> 02:02:58,320 at least i know i love the book i know 3483 02:03:01,910 --> 02:03:00,639 anyone i've talked to has loved it uh 3484 02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:01,920 what what if 3485 02:03:04,790 --> 02:03:03,840 like for for your friends and family 3486 02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:04,800 when you said you were going to write 3487 02:03:07,750 --> 02:03:05,760 this one 3488 02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:07,760 like when they read it from when you had 3489 02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:09,760 first started working on it what was 3490 02:03:14,070 --> 02:03:12,159 their perception like did did it 3491 02:03:15,830 --> 02:03:14,080 expand their mind even more afterwards 3492 02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:15,840 even though you're talking about the the 3493 02:03:20,310 --> 02:03:17,760 upcoming book oh no i'm talking about 3494 02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:20,320 the the at least well either or 3495 02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:22,480 scary okay um 3496 02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:24,560 well let's see part of the problem is 3497 02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:25,520 that 3498 02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:27,280 my family 3499 02:03:31,750 --> 02:03:29,840 um sort of sees this stuff evolve as it 3500 02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:31,760 goes i have a very good friend who 3501 02:03:36,149 --> 02:03:34,000 passed away last year who was 3502 02:03:38,229 --> 02:03:36,159 she was a well-known author herself but 3503 02:03:40,470 --> 02:03:38,239 she said the reason that she liked my 3504 02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,480 books is because i take the reader on 3505 02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:42,880 the journey with me well my family has 3506 02:03:45,669 --> 02:03:44,480 already been on the journey as i was 3507 02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:45,679 going through it i mean as i'm 3508 02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:48,159 discovering stuff it's the man you're 3509 02:03:51,750 --> 02:03:49,840 not going to believe this and try to 3510 02:03:53,589 --> 02:03:51,760 explain the best i can to 3511 02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:53,599 my 3512 02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:57,840 perspective i just gained on something 3513 02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:59,920 so they they sort of saw it as they went 3514 02:04:03,589 --> 02:04:00,880 and so 3515 02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:03,599 um seeing it in written form 3516 02:04:06,790 --> 02:04:05,040 is sometimes 3517 02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:06,800 almost anticlimactic 3518 02:04:09,589 --> 02:04:08,080 for them they 3519 02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:09,599 yeah tell me something i don't know here 3520 02:04:14,070 --> 02:04:10,480 you know 3521 02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:17,030 the final book 3522 02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:18,310 yes it's 3523 02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:20,400 all all really uh interesting stuff one 3524 02:04:24,070 --> 02:04:22,159 of the things i would really 3525 02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:24,080 love to be able to do in the future is 3526 02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,159 i'm starting to know enough to be able 3527 02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:28,560 to re-write 3528 02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,199 some of the original myths 3529 02:04:35,189 --> 02:04:33,199 the problem is 3530 02:04:36,310 --> 02:04:35,199 that the way that meaning is conveyed in 3531 02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:36,320 those myths 3532 02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:38,159 miss is very dependent on the language 3533 02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:40,320 that they were written in because words 3534 02:04:42,550 --> 02:04:41,119 that were 3535 02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:42,560 they depend on certain words being 3536 02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:44,080 homonyms for other words that aren't 3537 02:04:47,270 --> 02:04:46,239 homonyms in english 3538 02:04:49,109 --> 02:04:47,280 and so 3539 02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:49,119 it would be a real challenge to try to 3540 02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:50,880 produce these myths in a way that 3541 02:04:57,270 --> 02:04:54,320 accomplished what the original myth did 3542 02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:57,280 it's like with um i forget the language 3543 02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:59,599 or even most languages 3544 02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:01,679 english is can be so direct but it can 3545 02:05:06,470 --> 02:05:03,360 be so very bad at being able to convey 3546 02:05:08,470 --> 02:05:06,480 certain messages where a word in german 3547 02:05:10,390 --> 02:05:08,480 for instance will have 3548 02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:10,400 you know like that same word the 3549 02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:12,960 translation for the term would be you 3550 02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:14,480 know a sentence long in english 3551 02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:15,599 essentially 3552 02:05:18,709 --> 02:05:16,560 so 3553 02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:18,719 have you ever seen the uh the there's a 3554 02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:20,320 youtube station called hot for words 3555 02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:22,239 with a the lady she talks about words 3556 02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:23,840 and seductive clothing we just need a 3557 02:05:27,669 --> 02:05:26,000 hot for higher relationships 3558 02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:27,679 we need a hot for hieroglyphics uh 3559 02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:29,520 youtube channel 3560 02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:31,119 well one interesting thing laird had 3561 02:05:35,750 --> 02:05:33,040 mentioned before like we were talking on 3562 02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:35,760 on uh on uh skype briefly while we're 3563 02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:36,800 waiting for you to get back from a 3564 02:05:41,830 --> 02:05:39,360 meeting and uh he had mentioned that uh 3565 02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:41,840 uh that you were starting to research 3566 02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,560 swear words in 3567 02:05:47,589 --> 02:05:46,320 ancient egyptian hieroglyphics please 3568 02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:47,599 yeah i was joking i'm joking i was going 3569 02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:49,199 to try to learn how to swear to egyptian 3570 02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,080 hieroglyphics um you know the the best i 3571 02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:54,560 can get from the african side is dog on 3572 02:06:08,550 --> 02:06:01,750 that's a good one right now we have 3573 02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:10,950 there's a lot here to like um a lot of 3574 02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:13,119 stuff going on that that is 3575 02:06:15,990 --> 02:06:14,880 very interesting um 3576 02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:16,000 there are different ways you were 3577 02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:18,159 talking about ways of um 3578 02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:19,840 receiving information and could it be 3579 02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:21,440 done through drugs and the different 3580 02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:23,040 different methods that people have of 3581 02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:24,960 acquiring information well there's 3582 02:06:28,390 --> 02:06:26,320 actually a section in one of the 3583 02:06:30,069 --> 02:06:28,400 kabbalist books i was researching 3584 02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:30,079 where they talk about they they give 3585 02:06:35,109 --> 02:06:31,920 definitions for 3586 02:06:36,229 --> 02:06:35,119 various categories of 3587 02:06:38,550 --> 02:06:36,239 of 3588 02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:38,560 spiritually connected people 3589 02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:40,159 i was interested to read these because 3590 02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:42,320 i've been asked by people well so 3591 02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:44,239 what happens to you here do you like go 3592 02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,360 into a um a faint 3593 02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:49,280 to get this stuff or how what happens 3594 02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:50,800 you talk in tongues you know how does 3595 02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:51,840 this go 3596 02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:53,760 and i say no 3597 02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:56,079 it doesn't happen at all what happens is 3598 02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,320 that the thing that i need is available 3599 02:07:01,510 --> 02:06:59,760 to me when i need it 3600 02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:01,520 well it turns out that's a thing that's 3601 02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:04,800 a class of of um 3602 02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:07,040 clairvoyant that the kabbalists refer to 3603 02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:08,719 as a pure mystic 3604 02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:10,960 it's uh specifically defined as the kind 3605 02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:12,880 of person who without 3606 02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:15,440 anything unusual happening in their life 3607 02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:17,760 as they need information specifically 3608 02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:21,599 about cosmology it's available 3609 02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:23,840 i was actually writing a blog post and i 3610 02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:25,840 do some content writing 3611 02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:27,440 that is actually 3612 02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:30,159 one of the core concepts or at least 3613 02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,760 one of the positions that people want to 3614 02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:33,280 or that they want to get at least people 3615 02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:35,679 to convey in terms of like feeling that 3616 02:07:38,550 --> 02:07:37,040 you are enough 3617 02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:38,560 as an individual 3618 02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:40,400 and that idea of 3619 02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:41,679 you know you're 3620 02:07:44,470 --> 02:07:43,280 you're always going to need which when 3621 02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,480 you need 3622 02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:46,560 you're always going to need 3623 02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:48,079 i should say have what you need what you 3624 02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:49,760 need when you need it it will always be 3625 02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:51,520 there thank you 3626 02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:53,760 a part part of that rests on trusting 3627 02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:55,040 that you'll always have what you need 3628 02:07:57,910 --> 02:07:56,320 when you need it 3629 02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:57,920 and that's a tough 3630 02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:02,790 part of what 3631 02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:04,320 my adult son and i were trying to 3632 02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,480 accomplish when we went to 3633 02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:08,639 the uk this summer and visited scarabray 3634 02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,000 and some sites that are connected to 3635 02:08:14,709 --> 02:08:12,560 that that i think are really 3636 02:08:16,709 --> 02:08:14,719 foundationally pivotal to 3637 02:08:17,910 --> 02:08:16,719 this whole system 3638 02:08:18,790 --> 02:08:17,920 was 3639 02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:18,800 to 3640 02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:23,119 always had since childhood that he had 3641 02:08:27,030 --> 02:08:24,560 had since sort of 3642 02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:27,040 become broken for him 3643 02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:30,400 and and it worked it he came back 3644 02:08:34,830 --> 02:08:32,400 much much prepared from what he had been 3645 02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:34,840 before we 3646 02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:38,000 left but you have to trust so he used to 3647 02:08:42,470 --> 02:08:40,800 always say the universe has got my back 3648 02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:42,480 and uh 3649 02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:43,840 now it's back to a point where it really 3650 02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:46,320 feels like it does 3651 02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:48,159 that's actually something i i i can 3652 02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:50,480 understand like having having had a 3653 02:08:55,510 --> 02:08:52,480 roller coaster of a life in in my in my 3654 02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:55,520 20s my my tumultuous 20s as i like to to 3655 02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:57,360 say and use as many syllables as 3656 02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:01,119 possible to do it uh so loquacious oh 3657 02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:02,239 well 3658 02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:03,360 you're the wordy one that's why i have 3659 02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:04,800 you on here alex okay 3660 02:09:08,390 --> 02:09:06,639 that you're flowing flowing long locks 3661 02:09:09,109 --> 02:09:08,400 of hair that that too which nobody can 3662 02:09:10,629 --> 02:09:09,119 see 3663 02:09:13,189 --> 02:09:10,639 i'm pretty sure when he said loquacious 3664 02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:13,199 he meant you were good looking 3665 02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:21,350 uh i was gonna ask if there's anything 3666 02:09:24,870 --> 02:09:23,760 in the dogan uh culture that has to do 3667 02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:24,880 with uh 3668 02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,280 metallurgy or metals or anything like 3669 02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:29,760 that that yeah in the origin stories 3670 02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:31,920 yep absolutely um as a matter of fact it 3671 02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:35,119 comes back to your myth of sealing fire 3672 02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:37,360 that it was the dogen 3673 02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:38,480 um 3674 02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,280 his 3675 02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:46,719 metallurgy 3676 02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:50,159 who ended up stealing fire from from 3677 02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:51,040 um 3678 02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:52,960 the the dogan really have deities where 3679 02:09:58,149 --> 02:09:55,119 other cultures do they have 3680 02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:58,159 quasi-mythic ancestors and 3681 02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:59,760 the smithy stole fire from these 3682 02:10:03,189 --> 02:10:01,040 ancestors 3683 02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:03,199 and in the process of the myth ran 3684 02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:04,960 around the um 3685 02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:07,920 his granary the smithy the the forage 3686 02:10:14,069 --> 02:10:11,040 was sitting in the square flat roof area 3687 02:10:16,069 --> 02:10:14,079 of the of this stupa-like shrine and 3688 02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:16,079 there's staircases up each of the four 3689 02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:19,280 sides of the of the structure and 3690 02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,880 he ended up 3691 02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:22,480 not being able to find the staircase and 3692 02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:25,199 ran around the the granary a number of 3693 02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:27,199 times before he finally was able to take 3694 02:10:31,030 --> 02:10:28,880 the fire up to where the 3695 02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:31,040 the forge was supposed to be 3696 02:10:35,990 --> 02:10:32,719 and the myth itself is sort of a 3697 02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:36,000 metaphor for the way that electrons work 3698 02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:37,199 that's one of the levels that can be 3699 02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:43,510 but yes absolutely there's metallurgy um 3700 02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:45,119 that 3701 02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:47,199 everything connected to the dogan 3702 02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:49,599 culture and their civilizing plan 3703 02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:50,960 is tagged to 3704 02:10:54,709 --> 02:10:52,880 what would be needed for a successful 3705 02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:54,719 agriculture 3706 02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:56,880 one of those things is the ability to 3707 02:11:01,589 --> 02:10:58,639 make um 3708 02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:01,599 like metal hoes and and 3709 02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:03,119 size and things like that tools for 3710 02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:04,639 agriculture 3711 02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:08,950 which goes kind of to the interesting 3712 02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:11,360 point where you know a lot of the 3713 02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:13,599 uh gods who came or quote-unquote gods 3714 02:11:17,750 --> 02:11:15,440 who came to 3715 02:11:18,709 --> 02:11:17,760 teach the people after whether it was 3716 02:11:22,629 --> 02:11:18,719 you know 3717 02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:22,639 catastrophe where it's okay you're going 3718 02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:24,000 to learn fishing you're going to learn 3719 02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,000 agriculture you're going to learn uh 3720 02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:27,679 animal husbandry then we're going to 3721 02:11:30,390 --> 02:11:29,119 work on the stone working and all these 3722 02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:30,400 other things 3723 02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:32,480 and finally it's you know this this 3724 02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:34,560 imagery of like with with the greeks and 3725 02:11:38,149 --> 02:11:36,480 the elysian fields and 3726 02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,159 uh you know i think i think the the 3727 02:11:42,550 --> 02:11:40,880 dogana also have a similar imagery with 3728 02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:42,560 that with regards to where the spirit 3729 02:11:46,470 --> 02:11:44,480 could pass to and a lot of the times 3730 02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:46,480 that's supposed to be a 3731 02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:47,840 physical like also a physical 3732 02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:50,000 representation in either a country or 3733 02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:51,440 within the village is that is that not 3734 02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:52,560 correct 3735 02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:55,679 right uh the um 3736 02:11:59,350 --> 02:11:57,199 as i was examining the series of 3737 02:12:01,030 --> 02:11:59,360 megalithic sites on orkney island and 3738 02:12:02,950 --> 02:12:01,040 thinking about them and the progression 3739 02:12:04,709 --> 02:12:02,960 that they represent cosmologically i 3740 02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:04,719 realized that for the dogan the 3741 02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:06,639 progression continues upward from this 3742 02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:07,840 cluster of 3743 02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:10,000 of houses 3744 02:12:13,589 --> 02:12:11,840 that the next stage 3745 02:12:15,270 --> 02:12:13,599 scientifically speaking is the stage at 3746 02:12:16,629 --> 02:12:15,280 which 3747 02:12:19,350 --> 02:12:16,639 particles emerge from what the 3748 02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:19,360 scientists call the background field 3749 02:12:23,430 --> 02:12:21,599 and the way the dogan represent that is 3750 02:12:25,109 --> 02:12:23,440 every year before they plant their crops 3751 02:12:27,350 --> 02:12:25,119 they go to the field of their highest 3752 02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:27,360 priest who's called the arrow priest 3753 02:12:30,709 --> 02:12:28,400 and they 3754 02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:30,719 create a field drawing that is almost 3755 02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:31,840 akin to 3756 02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:35,119 a crop circle it's a circle with filled 3757 02:12:39,109 --> 02:12:36,719 with zigzag lines that represent 3758 02:12:40,629 --> 02:12:39,119 vibrations of matter 3759 02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:40,639 so 3760 02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:42,560 realizing that the dogen were egyptian 3761 02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:44,880 at the time that scarabray 3762 02:12:48,629 --> 02:12:47,119 was founded i thought the egyptians must 3763 02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,639 have a similar concept and i went to 3764 02:12:52,709 --> 02:12:50,239 look for it and realized the egyptian 3765 02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:52,719 word for field is saket 3766 02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:55,679 and there is a concept sacat eru in 3767 02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:56,880 egypt 3768 02:13:01,030 --> 02:12:58,639 but it's a term that refers to the field 3769 02:13:02,870 --> 02:13:01,040 of breeds which is a place that people 3770 02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:02,880 basically representation of heaven place 3771 02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:04,800 where spirits go when they die 3772 02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:07,760 but for the dogan and for the egyptians 3773 02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:10,000 and for the later greek concept of the 3774 02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:12,560 elysian fields 3775 02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:14,400 this is a concept that's handled on two 3776 02:13:19,189 --> 02:13:17,440 levels it's it's a cosmological concept 3777 02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:19,199 or a mythical concept but it's also 3778 02:13:23,700 --> 02:13:21,040 represents a real world field that's 3779 02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:23,710 actually planted and cultivated and 3780 02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:25,360 [Music] 3781 02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:26,480 the 3782 02:13:31,589 --> 02:13:29,760 [Music] 3783 02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:31,599 um it makes sense that orkney island 3784 02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:34,560 could be the geographic locale for 3785 02:13:39,030 --> 02:13:37,040 the egyptian concept when the greeks 3786 02:13:40,950 --> 02:13:39,040 describe it 3787 02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:40,960 their writers uh 3788 02:13:43,750 --> 02:13:42,159 give 3789 02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:43,760 geographical descriptions that are all a 3790 02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:45,599 fit for orkney island where it's located 3791 02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:48,239 physically what its climate's like 3792 02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:50,960 um also even down to a term okeanos that 3793 02:13:55,189 --> 02:13:53,199 they refer to it by the egyptians when 3794 02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:55,199 they draw paintings of it picture 3795 02:13:58,390 --> 02:13:56,320 animals there that are actually 3796 02:14:00,470 --> 02:13:58,400 indigenous toward the island so there 3797 02:14:02,229 --> 02:14:00,480 are lots of reasons to think that 3798 02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:02,239 there could be a connection 3799 02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:04,639 that is wild 3800 02:14:08,149 --> 02:14:06,560 if if you're thinking about and 3801 02:14:10,470 --> 02:14:08,159 someone's going to make a uh you know 3802 02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:10,480 like an afterlife joke if especially in 3803 02:14:15,270 --> 02:14:12,960 the wintertime and you know northern the 3804 02:14:16,790 --> 02:14:15,280 northern seas can get quite cold and 3805 02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:16,800 some some people may see that as kind of 3806 02:14:20,709 --> 02:14:18,400 a hell so 3807 02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:20,719 back in the day if the agriculture was 3808 02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:23,760 happening there um it was 3809 02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,960 we could imagine the climate might have 3810 02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,480 been warmer there then actually just 3811 02:14:30,709 --> 02:14:28,719 before 3200 bc the climate did warm 3812 02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:30,719 there 3813 02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:32,000 people will sometimes ask me if i 3814 02:14:36,950 --> 02:14:34,719 believe in an afterlife and i my the 3815 02:14:38,629 --> 02:14:36,960 answer i give them is 3816 02:14:41,030 --> 02:14:38,639 that my wife and i barely believe in a 3817 02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:41,040 nightlife 3818 02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:42,239 so 3819 02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:43,760 we're still dealing with the 3820 02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:44,960 nightlife we haven't gotten the 3821 02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:46,560 afterlife yet now i know this is 3822 02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:47,760 something you you've uh that you've 3823 02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:49,119 talked about extensively it'll be there 3824 02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:53,589 that's a good one 3825 02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:55,360 one thing we forgot to bring up and this 3826 02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:57,679 kind of goes back into you know the 3827 02:15:01,990 --> 02:14:59,360 symbolism uh 3828 02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:02,000 now there was a point in time where that 3829 02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:05,280 where scarabray was was um abandoned and 3830 02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:06,239 i know that there was a lot of 3831 02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:08,639 interesting uh parallelism parallels 3832 02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:11,280 between that and egyptian symbolism with 3833 02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:13,599 the exit and the lack of reasoning 3834 02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:16,320 behind it as far as them leaving 3835 02:15:20,790 --> 02:15:18,639 yes and the dogan concept of their 3836 02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:20,800 teachers leaving also there are 3837 02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:22,480 parallels to the deliberate covering 3838 02:15:26,149 --> 02:15:24,719 over of quebec tepe in that quebec 3839 02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:26,159 temple we know it was deliberately and 3840 02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:27,840 carefully covered 3841 02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:29,440 some of the sites on orkney island is 3842 02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:35,750 now one of the cosmological terms that 3843 02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,599 relates to the structures we see at go 3844 02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,840 back to tepe is ark 3845 02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:42,000 now you know biblically there's an ark 3846 02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:44,480 on the side of a mountain near ararat 3847 02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:46,400 well go back to tepe is on the side of a 3848 02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:49,119 mountain near ararat 3849 02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,520 the term also applies to the shape 3850 02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:53,599 that's being created on orkney island by 3851 02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:56,000 these these megalithic sites one of the 3852 02:16:00,629 --> 02:15:58,400 term is arc but in other word another 3853 02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,639 meaning for the word arc is in ancient 3854 02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:02,400 egypt is to cover over 3855 02:16:06,629 --> 02:16:04,079 and the symbols that are used to write 3856 02:16:07,910 --> 02:16:06,639 that word in egyptian language 3857 02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,920 spell out 3858 02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,679 visually 3859 02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:12,079 the process that happens every day with 3860 02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:13,520 um 3861 02:16:17,830 --> 02:16:15,760 a jewish torah in every temple in the 3862 02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:17,840 world that after they're done reading 3863 02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:20,239 the instructional portion for the day 3864 02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:25,910 rolled up and covered over carefully and 3865 02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:28,560 placed back inside a cabinet called an 3866 02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:31,520 arona kodesh which gets abbreviated to 3867 02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:33,599 arc 3868 02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:34,639 so 3869 02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,639 it looks to me like 3870 02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,080 part of what was going on with covering 3871 02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:40,479 over these sites was a ritual statement 3872 02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:42,000 that says look 3873 02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:44,240 this was an instructional site 3874 02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:46,160 it its instructional purpose was 3875 02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:47,519 completed 3876 02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:49,679 we are now ritually covering it over to 3877 02:16:56,309 --> 02:16:54,950 uh at quebec at scarborough there are 3878 02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:56,319 other other indications of what was 3879 02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:57,760 going on there they left some symbolic 3880 02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:00,319 messages that give us a clue as to why 3881 02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:02,960 they left and where they might have gone 3882 02:17:07,030 --> 02:17:04,319 actually i don't discuss that in the 3883 02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:07,040 book but i learned from our visit there 3884 02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:08,719 that there are hints as to where they 3885 02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:10,479 might have gone and i'm guessing that 3886 02:17:14,309 --> 02:17:12,639 would be discussed in a future book 3887 02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:14,319 uh yeah it might be or some of these 3888 02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:16,240 things get discussed you know eventually 3889 02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:17,840 in in their interviews that don't 3890 02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,439 actually make it into a book but you 3891 02:17:23,930 --> 02:17:22,160 know they'll turn up on the the jeopardy 3892 02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:23,940 game version of the books i guess 3893 02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:25,280 [Music] 3894 02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:26,880 you know to at least be able to segue 3895 02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:30,319 into uh the last short segment 3896 02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:32,399 um 3897 02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:33,679 and you know just be able to close 3898 02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:34,960 things out where we can kind of leave 3899 02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,960 things at a quote unquote cliffhanger so 3900 02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:38,880 that we can talk about the next book uh 3901 02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:40,559 the next time it comes out and have a 3902 02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,000 nice segue oh when people left 3903 02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,880 the scarabray they left quite suddenly 3904 02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,960 uh where where did they go in what 3905 02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,679 manner did they leave 3906 02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:53,519 we're not sure we know that they had 3907 02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:55,280 enough warning that 3908 02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:57,679 rather than abandoning the animals that 3909 02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:59,200 they domesticated animals they had the 3910 02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:01,840 farm animals on the island they held a 3911 02:18:05,910 --> 02:18:04,160 final feast 3912 02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:05,920 at least 400 animals were killed and 3913 02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:07,439 maybe a thousand people ate at this 3914 02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:08,960 final feast 3915 02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:10,559 and when the feast was done 3916 02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:12,240 the site was covered over but before it 3917 02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:14,000 was covered over they carefully placed 3918 02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:17,120 bones all around the site um not any 3919 02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:18,000 bone 3920 02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:22,559 the tibias 3921 02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:24,240 and 3922 02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:25,920 there's symbolism to that some of the 3923 02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:27,599 symbolism we'll get into in the upcoming 3924 02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:29,840 book about what a thigh represents there 3925 02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:31,040 are 3926 02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:32,479 fundamental 3927 02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:35,040 meanings to the concept of a thigh 3928 02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:35,920 but 3929 02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:38,000 an egyptian word for thigh is pronounced 3930 02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:40,080 like a word that means to leave under 3931 02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:42,559 duress or to depart under duress 3932 02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:44,719 so we can we can tell from the symbolism 3933 02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:47,120 of the thighs that they had they weren't 3934 02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:48,399 leaving because they wanted to they left 3935 02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:49,760 because they had to 3936 02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:50,719 but 3937 02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:53,040 not had to like get out of a 3938 02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:54,240 burning house 3939 02:18:56,790 --> 02:18:55,519 they had enough time to think about what 3940 02:18:57,990 --> 02:18:56,800 they were doing and to plan what they 3941 02:18:59,429 --> 02:18:58,000 were doing 3942 02:19:02,950 --> 02:18:59,439 um 3943 02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:02,960 now my sense is they they descended some 3944 02:19:08,469 --> 02:19:05,599 of them descended down into the uk they 3945 02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,479 went into scotland and ireland and 3946 02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,559 great britain and their indications that 3947 02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,479 that happened the next book sort of 3948 02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,639 carries that forward 3949 02:19:19,830 --> 02:19:16,800 there's an irish myth 3950 02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,840 that a group that i track down from 3951 02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:21,920 scarabray 3952 02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:24,399 was forced to leave there in the early 3953 02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:25,920 centuries a.d 3954 02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:28,559 and the irish myth is there are two 3955 02:19:31,509 --> 02:19:30,240 myths one says they left across the 3956 02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:31,519 eastern sea 3957 02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:33,599 or the western sea the other one says 3958 02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:35,599 that they went to the underworld 3959 02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:38,800 well the maori book quotes a myth from 3960 02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:41,679 new zealand that says that this a 3961 02:19:45,429 --> 02:19:43,439 matching group came from across the 3962 02:19:47,830 --> 02:19:45,439 eastern sea in about that same 3963 02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:47,840 period of time and an ancient name for 3964 02:19:52,230 --> 02:19:50,319 new zealand was meant um 3965 02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:52,240 first circle of the underworld 3966 02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,000 so the maori perspective really upholds 3967 02:19:57,830 --> 02:19:57,040 both of those irish myths 3968 02:20:00,230 --> 02:19:57,840 i mean 3969 02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:00,240 or we've got the cyclical happening of 3970 02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:02,000 the housing bubble back in prehistoric 3971 02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:10,309 but i i think that you can see the trail 3972 02:20:14,309 --> 02:20:12,479 of these groups in the americas you know 3973 02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:14,319 you see it down in virginia with native 3974 02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:16,319 american tribes you see with the hopi 3975 02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:18,560 indians you see it in central and south 3976 02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:21,760 america you may see it on um 3977 02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:24,240 easter island you see them polynesia 3978 02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:26,399 uh there's they may have been stragglers 3979 02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:27,840 along the way here who sort of jumped 3980 02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:31,439 had jumping off points at other places 3981 02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:33,760 and uh sorry alex did you want to add 3982 02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,800 something 3983 02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:36,080 well this 3984 02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:38,960 has been probably one of the the cooler 3985 02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:40,960 interviews we've done it's definitely up 3986 02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:43,200 there in in you know in in the top of 3987 02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:44,399 you know top experiences i'm going to 3988 02:20:47,990 --> 02:20:46,240 have and over the next couple of months 3989 02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:48,000 unless my wife decides to say that she's 3990 02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:49,680 pregnant which you know that's good for 3991 02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:51,840 everybody um 3992 02:20:55,670 --> 02:20:53,120 but 3993 02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:55,680 you you've expanded expanded my mind and 3994 02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:57,120 i've learned a lot 3995 02:21:02,230 --> 02:20:59,840 you know a lot talking directly to the 3996 02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:02,240 source himself and i would like to say 3997 02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:04,399 again thank you very much for taking the 3998 02:21:07,990 --> 02:21:05,760 time this afternoon out of your busy 3999 02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:08,000 schedule to to to sit down and talk with 4000 02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:10,080 uh with our show and and 4001 02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:12,240 the gentleman here as well as with our 4002 02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:14,319 viewers thank you very much thank you 4003 02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:15,920 very much for yeah thank you very much 4004 02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:18,319 for having me on um if people want to 4005 02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:19,840 try to reach me they can find me on 4006 02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:21,920 facebook i joke that they shouldn't 4007 02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:23,439 confuse me with all the other layered 4008 02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:29,910 you're quite hard to find actually 4009 02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:32,720 um there's alertsgrant.com 4010 02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,040 website but it's a fan site 4011 02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:37,200 the contact tab there does reach me i 4012 02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:39,520 get an email and i'll answer a message 4013 02:21:42,550 --> 02:21:41,120 if it's sent that way 4014 02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:42,560 or you can contact me through my 4015 02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:44,240 publisher in their traditions or through 4016 02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:45,920 simon schuster 4017 02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:48,720 well that's that's fantastic uh you know 4018 02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,560 laird i'm going to play our outro song 4019 02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,800 for you uh which it's different than our 4020 02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:54,319 usual one which we used to have it from 4021 02:21:58,950 --> 02:21:57,439 the dread but um the the band uh tried 4022 02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:58,960 to monetize it on youtube even though 4023 02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,120 it's a creative like you know free to 4024 02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:03,600 air creative commons no problem 4025 02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:05,520 so uh we actually went with a broke for 4026 02:22:11,500 --> 02:22:08,080 free and the song is called spellbound 4027 02:22:14,309 --> 02:22:13,270 [Music] 4028 02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:14,319 it's a little bit more chill than our 4029 02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:16,800 usual one but i kind of like it uh you 4030 02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:19,040 know i'm going to uh 4031 02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,720 post this on our website as soon as i 4032 02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:22,560 can within the next day or two 4033 02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:25,120 and i'm going to uh you know try and see 4034 02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:26,240 how much work i can get out about the 4035 02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:29,359 book while i'm planning for christmas 4036 02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:31,040 hopefully we'll put a we can put a link 4037 02:22:34,950 --> 02:22:32,960 in don't well the links are in the in 4038 02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:34,960 the show notes already 4039 02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,479 so 4040 02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:38,240 laird thank you very much and i just 4041 02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:39,520 wanted to say 4042 02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:42,479 uh you're welcome back anytime and 4043 02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:44,720 i hope you have a wonderful holidays and 4044 02:22:47,990 --> 02:22:45,680 new year 4045 02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:48,000 well great um if there are 4046 02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:49,359 is there if there's any additional 4047 02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:51,200 material i can explain for you or 4048 02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:52,960 question i can resolve for your research 4049 02:22:56,309 --> 02:22:54,960 let me know and i'd be happy to do it 4050 02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:56,319 it would be my absolute pleasure thank 4051 02:23:00,110 --> 02:22:57,439 you very much 4052 02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:00,120 thanks bye 4053 02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:06,080 [Music] 4054 02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:22,140 all right 4055 02:24:22,850 --> 02:23:26,309 [Music] 4056 02:24:43,370 --> 02:24:22,860 so